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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need alliance help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to black with

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good evening fade to black

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how you doing today is wednesday october

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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a total undisclosed location but it is

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beautiful it is it truly is

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states hither and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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kicking things off october 31st racehobs

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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what a great week on the show and

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tonight very special guest

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isaac arthur

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right here isaac arthur is back with us

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to discuss

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the physics of a tic tac

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yeah man

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and tomorrow night's another fader

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tonight with open lines all night long

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and then i'm gonna give everybody an

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update

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uh i'm gonna have a couple hours of

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and then i jump on a plane

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i'm headed out of town

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secret mission i'll be back sunday night

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yeah i wish i could tell you more but i

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can't

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but that's what i gotta do man man man

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wrap the show

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ten o'clock

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grab a little bitey bite some food

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get up bright and early head straight to

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the airport and uh there you go

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love it trying to slow down time with

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yeah man all right oh where am i at

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so excited isaac arthur is with us i'm

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bit but uh isaac arthur is here and and

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show normally normally i do a sound

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check sound check happens every single

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brew some coffee he's going to sit down

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he's going to be ready to go but i won't

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and right now i'm looking and i've got

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david ike and it's just

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i'll get it text okay man i'm ready to

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uh but anyway uh grant cameron same

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this is the best birthday gift i mean uh

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year but but this one

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that one's personal okay so phone is

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okay so let's wait for isaac i will be

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at the star works usa ufos all the above

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and beyond conference this november 12th

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through the 14th

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in laughlin nevada at the absolutely

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fabulous aquarius hotel and casino

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and uh that is uh kicking off like i

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said november 12th through the 14th

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and uh jacques valet paul heineck who

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was on the show with us last night grant

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cameron colin andrews jaime moussan

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and ten other amazing speakers tickets

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and info at starworksusa.com

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and uh the links are everywhere for us

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throughout social media you can go and

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click but uh starworks usa.com also the

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below head over get your tickets and

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i got a few a few ideas uh for this too

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it's gonna be really really cool so

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tickets and info

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all right head over get that follow me

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hello to everybody that's out there

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whether you're listening

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or you're watching whatever you're doing

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how are you guys what's going on all

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let's see what is kraken i'm very um

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excited about onex and the unaxed

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uh the site is active it will be updated

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and flying here with with all of the

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going to be over at the nx network am i

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writing low

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it looks like i'm low

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let me see

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is that better

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let me see i'm gonna see is it my chair

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what's up it's a fade to black

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fade to block so uh let's see i've just

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raised that up

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i love it

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let's get to the breaking news william

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shatner can now say

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he's gone boldly

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where no man his age has gone before

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he's certainly not the first person to

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visit space but as of today the star

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trek captain is the oldest at 90 years

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old the actor joined blue origin

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founded by amazon founder jeff bezos in

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2004 second human space flight

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that's right bill and three others were

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launched in a new shepard rocket from

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the aerospace company's west texas

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launch site just before 11 a.m eastern

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but everything was cool the crew safely

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anything they described all four

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passengers on board gave a thumbs up to

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the recovery crew upon landing to

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bezos shows up gave everybody their

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wings you get you get those bezos wings

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i mean it's way

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out of my tax bracket but uh okay

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all right um hold on for a second let me

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let me text him back

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right now and

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everybody can hear

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isaac arthur see i told you didn't i

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where i'm at a canadian woman

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narrowly avoided disaster when a

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meteorite crashed through her roof and

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landed on the pillow next to her as she

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slept the photographs the images of what

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are absolutely nuts things this big ruth

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hamilton of golden british columbia woke

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when she looked down she saw a rock on

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her pillow right next to where her head

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usually lies her insurance company plans

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to conduct a walk through

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and determine whether burning space

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i'm not making that up the company said

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they've never handled a claim like this

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the images are absolutely crazy let's

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get this show cracking happy birthday to

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today the one and only

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sasha baron cohen

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today 49 years old now i'm gonna say

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this yeah yeah borat ali g i'm not even

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sure i'm more of an ollie g guy but

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madagascar

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julian

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stole the show happy birthday sasha paul

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today

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is 79 kodachrome i'm just going there

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going there kodachrome marie osmond

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today is 61. and i didn't realize that

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she was three years older than me

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because when i go back to the osmond

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brothers show right and they brought her

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out on stage i thought man i thought we

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were like the same age like two

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but uh she's 61 today chicago's robert

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lamb the one and only

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is 77 years old and thrax front man joey

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belladonna today is 61. saving the best

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for last though

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sammy hagar

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today

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is 74. he ain't slowing down david lee

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roth just announced his retirement he's

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hanging up his shoes and uh

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kind of surprised about that

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but not sammy sammy is 74. our dead

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guy's birthday today is

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kelly preston

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1962 to 2020 died at the age of 77

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surprised and shocked all of us

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with her passing kelly was an actress of

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course and a model she appeared to more

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than 60 television and film productions

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including mischief twins jerry maguire

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for the love of the game gotti space

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camp the cat in the hat

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what a girl wants sky high she was great

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in sky high and old dogs and she married

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uh john travolta back in 1991

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on july 12 2020 kelly died at the age of

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57 at her home in clearwater florida two

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days uh two years after she had been

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diagnosed with breast cancer

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happy birthday kelly preston

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on this day in history oh

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oh yeah here it is i got it i got it

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uh

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four palestinians

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hijacked a lufthansa airliner and took

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the plane on a six-country odyssey

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eventually landing in mogadishu somalia

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on october 17th like four days later

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right okay

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early the next morning this is why

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you don't hijack a plane especially

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lufthansa because early the next morning

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a german special forces team stormed the

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aircraft releasing the 86 hostages

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and killing three of the four hijackers

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on this day in

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1977. here's your fader fact this one's

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about roy orbison i can't drive 55

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[Laughter]

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right on dry scale

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roy orbison

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wrote the biggest hit of his career

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after asking his first wife claudette

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if she needed cash for the market

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his writing partner interjected saying

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pretty women don't need money

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as orbison watched claudette go to the

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market by walking down the street

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he wrote

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oh pretty woman

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and that is your fader fact tonight very

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special guest isaac arthur is here we're

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going to be discussing

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the physics

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of a tic tac

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yeah

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long all right

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let me hit this river moon coffee i'm in

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a great mood great week i got an amazing

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weekend

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coming up i can't tell you where i'm

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going though

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i can't

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by the time i get to phoenix

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no it's not that kind of flight though

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it's not that kind of flight great song

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great song well all right

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isaac is amazing he's amazing funny dude

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funny dude all right uh where am i yes

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kaz

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that's the picture of her ceiling and

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then look at that

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look at that rock can you imagine that

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flaming hot coming through the roof

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landing on the pillow next to you that's

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crazy thank you for that cass caz is

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definitely trying to get promoted

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uh trying to get promoted

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at the end of the show last night i got

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a call from todd

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and uh

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my blue heaven todd

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and uh got a call from todd todd is

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studying cosmology

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and uh it's kind of funny because todd

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is probably listening right now and we

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have isaac arthur on the show tonight

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and last night that conversation was a

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great one

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and i understand all of his points that

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he made

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and uh you know basically about life in

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our galaxy or the lack of and the

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universe

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and you know tonight's guest isaac

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arthur has covered all of this many many

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times on his podcast and video series

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science and futurism with isaac arthur

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and isaac's

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great filters series

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on the fermi paradox is something that

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i've listened to and watched dozens of

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times and the whole thing is probably

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weeks long uh his fermi paradox and

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great filter series

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it's uh amazing research and i highly

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recommend it to anyone who is interested

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in the subject and when i say

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i've listened to it dozens of times go

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to

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um isaac's uh website or his youtube

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channel science and futurism with isaac

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arthur and go to the video series and um

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there's a playlist there

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um and i am sure there is

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a fermi paradox great filters section

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and go look at all of those videos look

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at the length of some of those videos

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and and how many are there in that

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series and i'm not joking when i say

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it's probably weeks long and when i say

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i've listened to it and watched it

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dozens of times

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i have in fact i've stolen so much of my

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amazing material from isaac over the

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years i admit it i clearly admit it but

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it makes me it makes me appear to be a

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pretty smart guy but go and check it out

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and

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if you uh

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listen to the phone call in the

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conversation last night i had with todd

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and then you go and check out isaac's

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series

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the presentation there by isaac is

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something that is shared that viewpoint

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viewpoints i should say are shared by by

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many scientists and cosmologists and

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astrophysicists

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out there around the world and i get it

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i i really do including fermi himself so

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i agree with almost none of it

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the answer is none

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but that isn't the point

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you see i've learned so much from isaac

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and the point is

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that it gives me so much to think about

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and uh

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when you listen to somebody um as

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intelligent as isaac and presenting uh

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the great filters and the fermi paradox

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and jumping into the drake equation and

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the size

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and scope of not only our milky way but

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the universe and what is going on out

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there

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it is so much data and it's so much

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information

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but it makes me

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think

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i've listened to these shows and tried

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to absorb all of it now isaac jumps into

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the colonization of of of the universe

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and of galaxies and multiple star

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systems and how

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extraterrestrial civilizations would do

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that and and it gets into energy sources

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and and and heavy math and equations and

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and and the time scale of how this stuff

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could be achieved okay and

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and and what types of ships and how you

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would do this okay so

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there's all of that data

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a deck of cards

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that's right

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i've used this analogy uh many times on

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the show

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but it needs to be repeated from time to

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time to keep everybody on their toes

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and

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ah so back to the deck of cards listen

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there are only

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so many

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elements particles atoms gases chemicals

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in the universe there's only so many

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it's a limited it's a fixed amount it's

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not infinite

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it's it's it's not there's only so many

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ways

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that particles

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can combine

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okay

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it's not infinite

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okay

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and

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carbon

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here on earth

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is carbon on the other side of the

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and and that goes with absolutely

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everything else you can think of that's

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it there's no other way to look at it

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now

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back to the deck of cards

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when you

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look at things this way

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you have a deck of cards you've got some

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friends sitting around a poker table you

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shuffle the deck

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deal out five cards each take a look at

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your cards boom done

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next hand shuffle the deck

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eventually

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you are going to shuffle the deck

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exactly the same and you are going to

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deal out the exact hand

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to all of your partners they're going to

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look at their cards and eventually that

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is going to happen

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it may take a while

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it may take a couple of hands it could

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happen

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but eventually

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it's no different

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with particles

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it's

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just not any different

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that goes with

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me

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eventually particles are going to

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combine

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out there in the universe

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and make an identical

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it's a numbers game

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eventually

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there will be

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an identical

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earth

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identical

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that's just the way that it is now

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highly probable well it no it's it's

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it's

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inevitable

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and it's already happened

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that's it

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now

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that's for repeated versions of me and

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of you and of this planet an identical

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earth is out there somewhere

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but

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those same particles

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are going to combine

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into life

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a lot

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that's it it's going to repeat and

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repeat and repeat what kind of life

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don't know

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kind of gravity on that planet don't

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know carbon based don't know

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i don't know but life

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is repeating

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out there

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all over the place well why haven't we

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seen it i don't know there's lots of

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reasons

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but you cannot and i will go back to any

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astrophysicist and say when somebody

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says you don't want me to you know life

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is very rare prove it

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prove it

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you cannot prove that there is no life

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out there any more than i can say there

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is life out there except this is what

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tips the scales

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life is everywhere you can't stop it

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chemicals are chemicals they are going

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to combine in only limited amounts of

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versions of everything that's it

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and there has to be

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life out there you cannot prove to me

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that uh particles are stopping uh their

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combinations

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and and that's it there's nothing else

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out there that we are unique and that is

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it no no the the argument is the

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opposite

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i have

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in my gun say that the chemistry here on

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this planet is the same chemistry

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everywhere in the universe and you

588
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,039
cannot tell me that life doesn't exist

589
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all over the place

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that's it that's it you cannot prove to

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me that that particles and physics and

592
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,880
things cease to exist

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00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,640
everywhere else

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no and that's the end of the argument

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it's the deck of cards

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that deck of cards it will eventually

597
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repeat and with the size and the

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vastness of everything out there it's

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repeated a lot

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it's a numbers game there's a lot of

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life out there i'll be discussing all of

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this tonight with isaac arthur as we

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jump into

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the physics

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of a tic tac this is fade to black our

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all right welcome back paid to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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what a great week on the show and

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tonight very special guest isaac arthur

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00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,280
is with us

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00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,880
and uh tomorrow night's another fader

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night with open lines all night long so

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get ready for that but

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tonight it's isaac and he's back we're

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going to be talking about the physics of

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a tic tac

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00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,040
and what may or may not be visiting our

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planet and hanging out with the united

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states navy

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isaac is the host of science and

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futurism with isaac arthur on youtube

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00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,400
with over 650

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00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,200
000 subscribers covering topics like

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colonizing the solar system interstellar

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00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,160
travel the fermi paradox artificial

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00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,599
intelligence and other topics

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00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,160
representing possible future paths and

734
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,119
challenges for humanity isaac received

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00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,119
his degree in physics from kent state

736
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,359
university graduating top of his class

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at the age of 20.

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00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,800
what have you done with your life lately

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00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,079
that's right

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00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,760
and he remained there for graduate

741
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,160
studies before joining the us army

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00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,480
serving in iraq he also worked as a

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00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,560
civilian researcher at the air force

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00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,440
institute of technology in dayton ohio

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00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,040
which means

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00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,800
isaac knows things his website is

747
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,520
isaacarthur.net and i would like to

748
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,760
welcome back to fade to black isaac

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00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:08,480
arthur isaac man good evening how are

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00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,280
you

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00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:10,640
doing great jimmy thanks for having me

752
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,520
back on yeah it's it's so great uh not

753
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,680
only do i love to hear your voice and

754
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:17,440
and to see you too as well

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00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,040
but um you gave me a shout out last year

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00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,520
on on your show

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00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:26,400
and i'm gonna say man uh twitter lit up

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00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,480
and it was so great that uh a that uh

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00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,200
uh the fader knots are dialed in to

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00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,160
isaac but uh it was so cool for people

761
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,560
man isaac gave you a shout out today and

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00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:39,680
i got

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00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,119
and watched it man and uh i was honored

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00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:47,680
that was uh very cool so uh thank you so

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00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,280
much 600 and

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000.

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00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,079
uh it's actually uh far north of that uh

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now but um

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uh i keep saying this to you isaac i

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remember one right

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00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:03,599
and

772
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,119
watching the growth of of your channel

773
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,480
and how many people um are excited about

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00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:13,599
science

775
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,119
physics uh the universe our galaxy and

776
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,280
what is going on out there that is very

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00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,760
impressive man and uh congratulations on

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00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,560
that

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00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,920
well thanks we just hit our seventh

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00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,680
anniversary and uh you know i'm still

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00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:27,119
loving as much as the first day we

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00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:28,480
started doing it

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00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,599
you know you know what i uh back back in

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00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,800
the day

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00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:35,760
one of your first uh series uh that you

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00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,960
had done was uh the great filters and

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00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:40,960
and the fermi paradox

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00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,000
which if you uh

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00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,040
as a listener if you start with uh the

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00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,880
top of the list and work your way down

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00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:50,400
that's probably going to take you a

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00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,359
month

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00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,680
right to listen to it's a lot of

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00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:55,200
material there

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00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,760
and i listen to it over and over again

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00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,839
uh i i can't tell you how much

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00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,240
information i i i stole from that uh

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00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,480
that was a lot of work

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00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,000
it was i mean the funny thing about the

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00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,920
40 paradoxes i really thought that was

801
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,880
just going to be one of those episodes

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00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,560
we touched on one time and never

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00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:13,760
revisited because it seemed like went

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00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,400
through

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00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,079
all the solutions and now the solutions

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00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:18,079
actually work perfectly fine everyone's

807
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,200
got a little bit of a flaw and i thought

808
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:21,119
here's the evidence take it judge it for

809
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,400
yourself let's move on to the space

810
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:24,240
conversation topics and yet ended up

811
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,839
becoming one of our most popular topics

812
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:27,359
because there's always

813
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,800
so much more to explore it's just such a

814
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,920
it's one of those questions you could

815
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,520
probably spend twice as much time as

816
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,040
i've done on it and still barely scratch

817
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,520
the surface of the options yeah but i

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00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,560
mean

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00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:40,800
when you have when you look at the great

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00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,240
filters which um you can break down and

821
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:46,320
you have um

822
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:47,359
into

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00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,839
three four five six

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00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:52,079
categories and then break that down

825
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,440
underneath the next thing you know

826
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,040
you're approaching

827
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,320
a hundred filters and each one of those

828
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:00,720
filters is a show

829
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,760
right

830
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,079
and and you can continue

831
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,800
off of each filter it's like the gift

832
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,720
that keeps on giving right

833
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,040
that is true yeah we uh once the list of

834
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,280
50 known ones just to use 50s round

835
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,599
number of potential suggested filters

836
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,480
and

837
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,760
we probably could get away during the

838
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,200
episode almost every single one of them

839
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,640
some we could we're doing more than one

840
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,160
on we've already done some of the major

841
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,000
categories that some of them fall into

842
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,319
so i mean you could spend an entire hour

843
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,599
just looking at the importance of

844
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,200
whether or not you evolved a parenting

845
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,440
skill with a potential civilization

846
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,440
because would something like a lone wolf

847
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,359
civilization ever actually develop a

848
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,079
civilization and there's all like

849
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,720
quasars and well all these are so many

850
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:42,480
topics you know themselves you look at

851
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,280
and

852
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,200
sadly we don't actually have much of a

853
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,960
clue as to which ones might be factors

854
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:49,280
in a big way because we have

855
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,040
so little data

856
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,160
and well yeah you can say that

857
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,560
but the data that is presented and the

858
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:00,640
way that you do it that's a lot of

859
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,920
research and but this is the thing

860
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:05,440
um

861
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:06,480
all

862
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:12,480
and and and what i mean by that is

863
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,480
uh for somebody in my position uh where

864
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,720
i go through the fermi paradox just in

865
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,720
the you know there's there's all this

866
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:22,960
stuff out there so where are they that

867
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,640
right there just makes me angry um and

868
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:27,920
you take

869
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:30,560
your research and others and you look at

870
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,640
it and it gives me stuff to think about

871
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,119
it gives me the counter argument you're

872
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:38,960
always going to have the prosecution in

873
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:41,839
the defense right and that's what you

874
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,200
give me is you have given me the tools

875
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,400
to come back out and and give my side of

876
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,960
the story for that i thank you man and

877
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:53,119
your research is absolutely humbling

878
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:54,160
isaac

879
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:55,520
well you're very welcome and very

880
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,870
but i think it is one of those key

881
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,720
things to remember is is i think we tend

882
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,079
to break things and there's the skeptics

883
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,839
category and the believers category and

884
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,359
that's not really the right way to look

885
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,520
at it there's a whole bunch of different

886
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,280
subcategories even on the anomaly

887
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,880
skeptical side series there's a

888
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,880
definitive difference of reasons why it

889
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,040
might be the case with witnesses but the

890
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,560
idea is that everyone's trying to aim to

891
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,480
get the truth and i think most folks

892
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,240
agree that one way or another we don't

893
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,160
actually have that yet there's an

894
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,760
incomplete picture

895
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,040
whichever side turns out to have the

896
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,040
right data on this the right theory it's

897
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:30,720
probably not gonna be quite right on the

898
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,599
nose

899
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:33,280
and there's just always gonna be little

900
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,319
holes here and there that we need to

901
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,480
patch up and we have to keep looking at

902
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,319
it whether it turns out that we're the

903
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:40,000
only thing out there or whether it turns

904
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,440
out they land here every week and we'll

905
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,280
just completely blind ourselves to it as

906
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,640
a civilization

907
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,240
we don't know for sure yet and we

908
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,920
haven't got something that completely

909
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,000
satisfies the answer we don't know why

910
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,599
would they be not just coming out and

911
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:53,280
saying hello we have some theories why

912
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,560
they might land here every day and say

913
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,800
hello to some folks not to be else but

914
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,800
we don't know for sure yet well what do

915
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,680
we do

916
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,160
you know with somebody like you in your

917
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:03,520
position

918
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,119
um uh and your your channel is

919
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:09,520
absolutely amazing and and it is

920
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,040
fantastic and it is great but

921
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,560
right you fall somewhere on

922
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,920
on this

923
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,400
and i would say that you are strongly

924
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,119
seated in a skeptic

925
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,119
uh uh seat

926
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,000
and which is fine and and we need that

927
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:31,359
but now you have all of this

928
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,640
um coming out in in popular culture it's

929
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,160
all over tv

930
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,800
uh ufos uaps you've got the senate

931
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,880
intelligence committee you've got

932
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,839
uh

933
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,520
the uap task force you've got the

934
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,440
department of defense you've got pilots

935
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,800
coming forward you've got witness

936
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,440
testimony you've got videos

937
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,960
this is a subject now that is out in

938
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,359
front and for somebody like you you've

939
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,160
never had that data

940
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,160
available to you

941
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,520
what what what are you thinking now um

942
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,480
as as all of this is is the subject of

943
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,599
conversation virtually worldwide

944
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,040
i have to admit it hasn't had as much

945
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,480
effect on me as people tend to think and

946
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,160
i tend to be on the extreme old skeptic

947
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,160
side most scientists think that there

948
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,839
are other alien civilizations in this

949
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,680
galaxy i tend to think they're already

950
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,520
within like several thousand galaxies of

951
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,680
hero so i'm skeptical even by skeptic

952
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,520
standards as to locations and quantities

953
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,160
but to me i would say based on behavior

954
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,079
people say well why would aliens ever

955
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,920
come visit our boy little planet that's

956
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,000
never saturday in the first place either

957
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,440
they're not out there or if they are out

958
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,200
there they visit if they can get here

959
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,200
they're gonna visit right whether in ten

960
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,960
is hostile friendly whatever it is they

961
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,720
are visiting so let's do two solid camps

962
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,520
right

963
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,880
um but i thought there was a lot of

964
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,800
evidence of potential visitations before

965
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,760
all this

966
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,760
you know we've got better data better

967
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,440
than saying it right now but yeah

968
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,440
eyewitness accounts for 50 60 years

969
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,920
minimum you know we had not so many

970
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,160
photographs but nobody had cameras on

971
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,920
them all the time like they do now

972
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,760
so there's more evidence but i'm not

973
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,800
sure that eve could be said to be

974
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,920
conclusive evidence you were going to

975
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,359
get to that tic tac i imagine at some

976
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,200
point and we don't know what that is i

977
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,680
mean we do not know what that was if it

978
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,960
makes the characteristics we think it

979
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,280
does then it's something that nobody on

980
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,960
this planet could have made at least not

981
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:16,160
without having

982
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,440
such an advantage like let's say it was

983
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,200
a russian or china thing right then they

984
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,480
have such an advantage that they could

985
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,079
kick everybody else's spot

986
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,839
right so we don't know what that was it

987
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,680
might be natural phenomena

988
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,240
i'd be an alien visitor you know

989
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,920
and and what do you

990
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,200
what do you make of of avilobe and you

991
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,760
know his excellent book extraterrestrial

992
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:37,359
which lays out

993
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,440
a pretty convincing argument isaac

994
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,520
he is a smart man he's a genius to this

995
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,680
area i disagree with them entirely on

996
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,240
the interpretation of umura as a

997
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,800
artificial object to me it was just a

998
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,720
abnormally strange shaped asteroid there

999
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,240
are tons of them they all look weird

1000
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:56,079
they don't have granny horn together and

1001
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,599
it was just our first chance to see one

1002
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:59,040
that came from outside of solace and we

1003
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,400
probably had thousands passed through

1004
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,480
here in the last few years this one we

1005
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,160
lucked out and got to see but it doesn't

1006
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,599
really match what i what i would say is

1007
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,319
we'd expect of an artificial artifact

1008
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,599
and i say what's the evidence on

1009
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,119
something that you say

1010
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,119
it's not that it looks weird we expect

1011
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,640
something else that comes along with it

1012
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,200
like it looks like it's this shape well

1013
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,640
is there a signal okay if it's not a

1014
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,200
signal is there is it going faster than

1015
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,280
we expect anything artificial do if it's

1016
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,359
not they say well maybe it's not maybe

1017
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,720
they're trying to hide it as something

1018
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,960
that we think was natural might not be a

1019
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,160
little bit less obvious with it not

1020
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:32,240
putting a trajectory we'd ever notice or

1021
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,200
something because we lucked out when it

1022
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:35,200
came close to the sun so i have nothing

1023
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,400
but respect for the guy i think he's

1024
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,920
wrong on this and that's a critical

1025
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,760
thing he can be wrong on it i don't like

1026
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,119
when people start calling him fringe or

1027
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:43,040
anything like that you know that's not

1028
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,240
the fairest thing you ought to say to

1029
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,880
him right he is an expert at his field

1030
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:48,000
but i disagree with him on that

1031
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,119
particular bit

1032
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:50,800
well one of the things that he points

1033
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:54,160
out in extraterrestrial is that

1034
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:58,240
the artist's interpretation of uh omumu

1035
00:47:03,109 --> 00:46:59,839
was wrong

1036
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:03,119
that the data is it was

1037
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,359
a disc shaped object it was a pancake

1038
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,079
and and you read that in the book and

1039
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,480
and his data collection on that and why

1040
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,119
he suggests something like this

1041
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:17,839
that's extraordinary this wasn't a

1042
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:20,960
cigar-shaped long object but it was it

1043
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,440
was a disc shape object now that again

1044
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,480
for uh for for avi to

1045
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,960
to lay it out there like that he's going

1046
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,359
to have people come at him

1047
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:36,000
but he is holding his ground isaac

1048
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,920
oh he should be able to he's good you

1049
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,119
know

1050
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,640
i again i don't agree with him on that

1051
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,559
part but also when you're you know

1052
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,920
you're down by a lake or wherever you

1053
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,680
see some rocks though shaped an awful

1054
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,839
lot like a disc sometimes too those can

1055
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,680
be natural shapes same as seeing whether

1056
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:50,880
we tube shaped be kind of weird huh

1057
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,079
honestly seeing a tube shaped one's a

1058
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,640
little bit weirder but asteroids are not

1059
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,880
planets not stuck together by gravity

1060
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,240
and we don't really know the process of

1061
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,559
forming them and the circumstances would

1062
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,920
force anything to be ejected from the

1063
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,440
solar system and that does happen all

1064
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:05,040
the time right that they are

1065
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,319
extraordinary circumstances we're

1066
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,079
talking a collision or something else

1067
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,920
very high energy powered either whipping

1068
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,599
out gravitationally or an actual

1069
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,200
collision you can get some weird shapes

1070
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,640
out of something like that

1071
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,680
and we don't necessarily want to be

1072
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,000
assuming like if that was a solo sail

1073
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,839
one we never seen something that thin

1074
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,280
you're not gonna make a solo sale that's

1075
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,720
like it's like making the sale for your

1076
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,680
ship um like an overseer ship only like

1077
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,440
a foot thick steel that would make a

1078
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:29,440
very good sale but it had to be shaped

1079
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,640
that way you know so but you can't

1080
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,880
assume that one pump is gonna do that uh

1081
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:35,119
is it dis-shaped you know it's not my

1082
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,480
area not to be able to contradict him on

1083
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,240
that if he says dick shake then it's

1084
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,640
probably dish state but if uh yeah i've

1085
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,160
heard most people say it was skull

1086
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,920
shaped i have what people complain about

1087
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,760
the artist reading for either way i

1088
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:47,040
don't think it changes about the

1089
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,319
characteristic that ship would be it

1090
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,200
would not seem to be a solo sale

1091
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,760
now what about uh and and we can move on

1092
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:56,880
from omu or more but um there

1093
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,839
for me there were two things that

1094
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:01,119
happened

1095
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,720
that were

1096
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:05,040
bona fide head scratchers

1097
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:06,319
one

1098
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:09,680
it accelerated and it accelerated

1099
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,559
without any gas discharging from it like

1100
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:15,119
a comet or something like that

1101
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,280
it accelerated and it took a turn

1102
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,960
it turned

1103
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:22,400
on its own

1104
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,280
and

1105
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,880
something that we have never seen before

1106
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,640
we look at asteroids all the time we're

1107
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,640
looking at objects in space all the time

1108
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,800
man-made and natural

1109
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,559
that have never shown that type of

1110
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,559
characteristic before

1111
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,280
that's a that's a hard position

1112
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,640
uh to to argue don't you think

1113
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,400
could be but well i'll give you one

1114
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,800
example of how that could happen right

1115
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,480
uh let's take it doesn't matter what the

1116
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,920
shape is let's assume that it's got a

1117
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,680
bit of a cometary body thing going on it

1118
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,800
would collect an awful lot of cord

1119
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,559
material as it came in let's say some of

1120
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,000
that was subsurface it was starting to

1121
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,079
cook up it's getting warmed up now it's

1122
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,839
got some pressure inside it and it

1123
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,960
finally reached that point where it's

1124
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,319
not being held together strong enough we

1125
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:01,599
want it splits

1126
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,640
you get a little bit of piece of it

1127
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:04,000
flying off the side it's people are too

1128
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,440
forced to see a bit of outgassing we

1129
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:07,119
don't really catch because it's quick

1130
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,240
right that's the biggest reason why i

1131
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,000
don't think it's a comet is there's a

1132
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,319
long extended protracted tail but a

1133
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,400
quick explosion we would miss that we

1134
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:16,079
would miss that easily and that would

1135
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,200
cause it to do a certain short

1136
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,359
acceleration because that is exactly the

1137
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,440
same as the rocket platinum right and if

1138
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,800
you're not looking at just what happens

1139
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:24,240
that would do it now is that what

1140
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,760
happened i have no idea i poured that

1141
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,440
one out of thin air as of like 10

1142
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,839
seconds ago sure i i'd have to check the

1143
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,440
math on that they're better expose me to

1144
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,119
say if that would even be feasible but

1145
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:35,200
that's one that comes to mind

1146
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,559
a lot of times what you're looking for

1147
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,079
isn't did it do something you think is

1148
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,319
unnatural but did you multiple things

1149
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,240
that we might expect something an

1150
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,319
artifact to do you know did we get a

1151
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,760
burst of radio signal from it well at

1152
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,599
that point you still have to say well

1153
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,960
it'll show you a different type of

1154
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,880
potential artificiality at that point

1155
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,400
right right how would you know you're

1156
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,160
looking at new york city as opposed to a

1157
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,520
hill there'll be a whole bunch of

1158
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,800
different factors

1159
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,040
and again it could be a pro but if it is

1160
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,800
it's a damage folk that would be the key

1161
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,680
thing

1162
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,000
it could be one but it's damage pope if

1163
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,240
it is and it's not a generation ship

1164
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:07,440
because it would be the characteristic

1165
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,480
of that yeah yeah and uh

1166
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:13,200
generational ships man your your stuff

1167
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,359
on that is is game changing okay now uh

1168
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:20,000
but what about uh the turn

1169
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,440
what about the turn

1170
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,640
well that would be the same kind of

1171
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,319
factor there like i said if it broke

1172
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,680
apart and did a little lock of blooming

1173
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,359
that would do that kind of torn effect

1174
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,440
or could do that kind of torn effect was

1175
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:31,119
that what did i have no idea again like

1176
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,079
i said i just thought that one up a

1177
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,480
moment ago but any sort of unexpected

1178
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,079
behavior on these things has to be

1179
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,720
kicking the context that we get only

1180
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,480
quick photographs them they're very

1181
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,920
blurry they go through a lot of editing

1182
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,760
and it's already headed away from us we

1183
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,280
do not have the best angle on it we only

1184
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:47,760
have one angle on it and i mean what we

1185
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:50,079
should have done my opinion anyway is is

1186
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:51,440
pour the cash together throw out a

1187
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,880
rocket and follow it we could have

1188
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,920
overrun the thing would take a couple

1189
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,359
more years to reach it but we've gotten

1190
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,520
real good looks at it whether it's

1191
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,520
mundane or artificial and it would

1192
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,839
answer that question maybe uh we'd have

1193
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:03,280
gotten some good data out of because in

1194
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,240
the first time we ever got to look at

1195
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,760
something close that was from our solar

1196
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,319
system so that was a missed window uh

1197
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,839
technically we've got decades where it

1198
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,440
really be into deep deep space we could

1199
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,800
potentially still shoot something after

1200
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,720
it but the only way to know on these

1201
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,720
objects yes we look at asteroids all the

1202
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,559
time most don't even have names but we

1203
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,079
don't really look at them that close

1204
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,079
we've only sent satellites to a couple

1205
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,480
of them you know we have very little on

1206
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,839
actual data on how these things are put

1207
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,839
together we have to do it all off of

1208
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,040
modeling

1209
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,680
and so we don't know how often it might

1210
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,800
be that something that's going through

1211
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,119
the frozen gaps of interdollar space

1212
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,520
might collect a lot of dust and explode

1213
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,640
a little bit when it got heated up by

1214
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,240
the sun but we know something like that

1215
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:42,160
could happen right things like that are

1216
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,680
covered in pockmarks or collisions

1217
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,680
there's all sorts of places that you

1218
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,359
know coordinator could have set out and

1219
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,599
frozen and expanded unexpectedly and

1220
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,599
that could cause h or ketone like that

1221
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:53,280
or or any other number of effects that

1222
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,319
would seem

1223
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,440
non-normal gravity ballistic behaviors

1224
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,440
but was that what happened i have no

1225
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,280
idea we might want to ask why would the

1226
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:03,839
spaceship have been doing at that time

1227
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:07,839
yeah well there's it and and the

1228
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:10,559
the extreme speed uh that it was

1229
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,599
traveling uh you know a couple hundred

1230
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:16,160
thousand miles an hour and exiting our

1231
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,960
soul

1232
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:18,800
you know look how long it took for

1233
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,160
voyager uh one and two pioneer 11 uh to

1234
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:24,640
exit our solar system this thing was

1235
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,839
gone like

1236
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,040
overnight no it's it's the thing is it's

1237
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:31,040
still actually here we didn't spot to us

1238
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,319
on its way out but it's still not our

1239
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:35,040
past pluto no but but look how quick it

1240
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,000
did it

1241
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,160
oh it did go pretty quick but one thing

1242
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,640
to keep in context as maximum

1243
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,640
it was only moving i think twice as fast

1244
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,119
as mercury normally opens the sun

1245
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,200
and i mean it was fast but you know the

1246
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,119
plants move very fast too right yeah

1247
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,040
it's still only going at like a couple

1248
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,880
hundred thousand miles now is how your

1249
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,240
light speed is a couple hundred thousand

1250
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,200
miles a second yes right but we were

1251
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,440
shooting a rocket after it uh we would

1252
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:01,359
have never caught up i thought the same

1253
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:02,240
thing

1254
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,440
um but

1255
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,839
uh you know if we would have had a

1256
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:07,839
response and the next time around will

1257
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:08,720
we

1258
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,599
respond accordingly and and collect the

1259
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,760
data because we weren't able to get a

1260
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,240
good image we weren't able to lock on to

1261
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,359
it and by the time uh it was picked up

1262
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:22,079
in hawaii first and by the time

1263
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,359
everybody

1264
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,359
saw the data which was a couple of days

1265
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,000
later it's gone right and and we didn't

1266
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,079
have a way to track it or

1267
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,119
uh you know get imaging onto it with

1268
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,079
with any uh telescope

1269
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,440
well we had a couple thrown together

1270
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,200
methods that we could uh crash pursuit

1271
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,839
of it on i think well they probably

1272
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,200
would have had a limited chance of

1273
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,359
working but uh i think they were worth

1274
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:47,359
trying so things where you have to throw

1275
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:48,799
together very quickly for a rocket on

1276
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,280
other rockets not necessarily too

1277
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,880
from a practical engineering standpoint

1278
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,160
but it's doable

1279
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:56,000
and uh i mean in this example we need to

1280
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:57,040
have something like this in mind i mean

1281
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,319
anyone who's ever read although c clark

1282
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,480
swade ruth rama had to be looking at

1283
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,240
that the whole time saying himself wow

1284
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,640
this is exactly like the book we have to

1285
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,480
go check this thing out i do feel like

1286
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,520
it was a missed opportunity it was um

1287
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,760
rendezvous with rama is all i could

1288
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,720
think about uh and not only not only the

1289
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,880
book and how it's laid out but the shape

1290
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:19,280
of the object and how omumu was

1291
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,400
presented

1292
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:23,359
that was uh that was some nostradamus

1293
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,480
stuff uh from arthur c clarke to to

1294
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,319
actually have it happen here i wanted to

1295
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,680
ask you really quick before we get to

1296
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:32,079
the break pretty exciting day you know

1297
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,599
with captain kirk

1298
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,680
and and blue origins what did you think

1299
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,000
of that and and the touchdown

1300
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,400
i thought it was awesome that he finally

1301
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:43,040
has a chance to go to space and uh you

1302
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,640
know i i

1303
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:46,319
i don't know i'm still a huge star trek

1304
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,520
fan this day i still think that the

1305
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,960
original series episodes are worth

1306
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:50,720
watching and so it was one of those

1307
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,000
touchy moments it reminded me a little

1308
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,599
bit when the call got launched in space

1309
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:55,280
too though oh

1310
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,720
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but uh

1311
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:01,119
i can only imagine

1312
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,400
uh for

1313
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,839
for william uh after star trek and you

1314
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,599
know where he is at

1315
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,079
to sit there and wonder what it would be

1316
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:11,920
like to go to space what it would be

1317
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,319
like and he had decades to think about

1318
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,040
it and when you get to 90 and you're

1319
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,960
probably thinking it ain't gonna happen

1320
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,559
but it did

1321
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:23,680
and how much it must have meant to him

1322
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,720
and we saw that today his emotions uh

1323
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,440
just took over

1324
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:31,440
he's uh i mean you know he's been an

1325
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,720
idol for so many people for so many

1326
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,480
years and that image of of space and

1327
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:37,119
that frontier in space and i think i

1328
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,720
know i was glad to see that it clearly

1329
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,200
meant as much to him as you know i but

1330
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,440
uh i know it was like when john glenn

1331
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,359
went back up to space again i was like

1332
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,760
20 years ago i'm from ohio so it was a

1333
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,599
kind of extra special touching event you

1334
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,400
knew

1335
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:51,920
how much it meant to him to get to go to

1336
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,440
space again finally and uh i think that

1337
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,680
that's that's a lot like for today you

1338
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,200
know and i'm still kind of passing

1339
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,880
through it but uh right it was a very

1340
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,799
good day it's another one of those

1341
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,720
you know beacons and people often feel

1342
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,079
like we're not making a lot of progress

1343
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,760
in space and i can point to things like

1344
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,079
that and sometimes the spacex lands a

1345
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,000
spaceship which is still amazing me and

1346
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,880
say yes we are we are making progress

1347
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:16,880
slower than we'd like but we are making

1348
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:20,880
progress out there he said one thing um

1349
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,240
and i'm glad he he put it this way

1350
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,240
um i don't know if i'm ever gonna go to

1351
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,880
space i doubt it but he said one thing

1352
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:31,200
that just stuck with he said

1353
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,799
you look down

1354
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,559
and it's blue

1355
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:37,119
and you look up and it's black

1356
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:41,040
and and the blue is like a blanket

1357
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:42,640
and it was just like oh

1358
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,040
you know what i mean it was it was what

1359
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:47,359
an interesting take

1360
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,640
and and how uh emotionally

1361
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:53,040
that that was the thing that he

1362
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,880
projected out first was that kind of

1363
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,760
statement that was just great

1364
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:59,040
it's nice to get the viewpoint for

1365
00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:00,000
anyone who's just not been a

1366
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,440
professional astronaut training up for

1367
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,520
that forever today too so

1368
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:04,880
exactly

1369
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:07,119
you know it's probably how i would say

1370
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:11,359
it i look down blue i look up black

1371
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:15,599
my god this planet's big yes exactly

1372
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,640
absolutely incredible okay um when we

1373
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,240
come back um

1374
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,720
uh we're gonna jump into the uh the

1375
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,480
physics of a tic tac

1376
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,200
and you have uh

1377
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:29,200
you presented

1378
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:33,119
these ideas of of physics uh

1379
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,079
interstellar travel faster than lights

1380
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,760
uh different uh ideas and theories and

1381
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,319
and propulsion systems you've spent a

1382
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,799
lot of time on this

1383
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,640
and we're going to set this up for when

1384
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,480
we return

1385
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,040
when you uh look at

1386
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,160
uh the evidence that the navy has put

1387
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,880
forward in the uap task force

1388
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,839
um

1389
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,400
the physics of this

1390
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,960
what do you think i mean is this a

1391
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,640
possibility we're going to do the deep

1392
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,480
dive when we come back

1393
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,799
but is it possible

1394
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,920
for

1395
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:12,079
the the characteristics of these tic

1396
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,040
tacs

1397
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,680
to happen

1398
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,000
not with anything we have right now if

1399
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:19,440
our estimates for the acceleration are

1400
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,799
correct

1401
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:23,040
although nothing manned anyway

1402
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:23,839
yeah

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00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,839
because the numbers um as presented when

1404
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,200
you're talking about these kinds of

1405
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:32,160
g-forces and this kind of speed i was

1406
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:33,520
talking about this last night on the

1407
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,480
show

1408
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,960
when you look at the data of our

1409
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,200
hypersonic program

1410
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:41,760
and russia's hypersonic missile program

1411
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,640
as impressive as it is

1412
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,040
it's slow right we're talking about

1413
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,119
thousands of miles per hour

1414
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,319
and what is happening with this tic tac

1415
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,480
that's a totally different conversation

1416
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,920
isn't it

1417
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,680
it's at the very edge of what we could

1418
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,839
reasonably do with an unmanned missile

1419
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,240
on paper if if for the higher end

1420
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,400
estimates uh it's

1421
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,319
pretty dubious inside known physics to

1422
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,599
do with anything that might be

1423
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,599
complicated or human for those higher

1424
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,520
end estimates at least yeah let's take

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our break right here our guest tonight

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the one and only isaac arthur

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isaacarthur.net is his website the links

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are over at jimmychurchradio.com and

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throughout social media and go check out

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fade to black more with isaac when we

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01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,309
welcome back fade to black i am your

1530
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,400
host jimmy church tonight isaac arthur

1531
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,640
is with us

1532
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,240
the physics

1533
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:48,400
of a tic tac we're gonna get into all of

1534
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:49,280
that

1535
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,880
and uh

1536
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,640
uh tomorrow night is fader night with

1537
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,319
open lines all night long so you're not

1538
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,240
gonna want to miss that and

1539
01:06:02,950 --> 01:05:59,280
but uh isaac this is uh

1540
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:02,960
this is a zone right now uh uh getting

1541
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:06,400
into this that is especially in

1542
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:09,359
uh the ufo community in the ufo circles

1543
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:10,559
this is

1544
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:14,400
and

1545
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,000
there are those in uh the ufo community

1546
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,319
that have been waiting for

1547
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,559
uh government participation in this

1548
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:23,760
subject

1549
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:26,720
and and then bringing stuff forward and

1550
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:29,359
it's happening at a very fast clip

1551
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,440
and the other side of it is uh you know

1552
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,079
discussing really what we are talking

1553
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:38,720
about here in the physics side of it

1554
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:39,839
the

1555
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:44,480
is that uh

1556
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,440
uh

1557
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,000
the uap task force report that was

1558
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:50,319
released back on june 25th

1559
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:51,280
said

1560
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:52,240
this

1561
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,839
i'm paraphrasing

1562
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,000
but they said

1563
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:58,079
isaac is drinking coffee by the way

1564
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:59,920
that's what everybody was listening to

1565
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:01,839
hey hold up your mug what what does your

1566
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,000
mug say

1567
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,079
uh it says if brute force isn't working

1568
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:08,079
you won't use enough of it besides the

1569
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,760
future is advising although

1570
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,440
i've got to get me one of those t-shirts

1571
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:13,200
by the way um

1572
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:18,400
so um is this uh the uap task force said

1573
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:20,799
it's not ours

1574
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:23,680
it's not a foreign adversary

1575
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,359
so that leaves it in a third category

1576
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:29,119
and we're calling it

1577
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,880
other

1578
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,079
now

1579
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:34,160
and judging from what you just said

1580
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,359
right

1581
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:38,400
it is beyond what we could do even on

1582
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:39,280
paper

1583
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,200
but that is a very interesting take uh

1584
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:47,680
from our department of defense

1585
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:50,799
uh to say that it's not us

1586
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,160
well that's a head scratcher okay

1587
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,359
let's let's talk about going from uh the

1588
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,000
radar signatures uh

1589
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:02,000
uh stating that

1590
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:06,079
uh kevin day who was manning the spy one

1591
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:09,359
uh radar on the uss princeton was on

1592
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,760
with us last week on the show

1593
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:13,760
and he says

1594
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:17,679
that uh they were at a sub-orbital

1595
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:21,600
altitude of around 80 000 feet and went

1596
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:25,279
from 80 000 feet to twenty eight

1597
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:28,000
thousand feet where they staged and

1598
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:31,759
there were approximately ten objects

1599
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,960
um

1600
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:35,040
uh came down to twenty eight thousand

1601
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,679
feet in point seven seconds

1602
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,440
now

1603
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,600
let's start right there how is that

1604
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,839
possible

1605
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:47,359
not with anything we've got right now

1606
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:49,040
but let's let's see if this was true and

1607
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,239
mind you that could be instrumental

1608
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,480
reading or bad observation but if it's

1609
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:54,400
true and he's on the mark that's that

1610
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,920
higher investments we start talking

1611
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:57,520
about being able to do accelerations of

1612
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,279
as much as 5000 g as opposed to 10 like

1613
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:03,359
the best jet fighter might and that's

1614
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,480
also we start getting the point of

1615
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:05,920
saying this thing has to have had a

1616
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,480
power available to it of something like

1617
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,199
a thousand gigawatts which again nuclear

1618
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,359
power plants about one to two and like

1619
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,199
the shuttle when it launches when it

1620
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,799
leaves that gigantic flame that shakes

1621
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,480
everything from miles around that's

1622
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:20,480
about 12 gigawatts so we talked about

1623
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,000
something that would be at least 100

1624
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,679
times more powerful

1625
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:25,679
to pull that maneuver off than what the

1626
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,960
shuttle would do

1627
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:28,319
so that's the kind of power it has to

1628
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,759
have available now on the other side

1629
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,120
that is kind of the power you'd expect

1630
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,960
us you know install a spaceship to have

1631
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,960
available to it so

1632
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,400
it's if we're going into the zone of

1633
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:38,400
assuming that that's what we saw and i

1634
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,359
would dispute that that's not

1635
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:41,359
necessarily what we did see but if that

1636
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,719
is what we're saying it is for the

1637
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,239
moment that's the kind of power we're

1638
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:46,080
looking at something capable of doing

1639
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:47,920
thousands of g's of acceleration and

1640
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,880
thousands of gigawatts of tony power

1641
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,799
and that's if it's just as light as the

1642
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,400
aircraft is it was heavier than that

1643
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:57,040
which could be even more power

1644
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:58,400
now i totally might just use some

1645
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:01,120
completely unknown physics too so which

1646
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,640
is not better

1647
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,640
right right okay so let's stay right

1648
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:07,120
there for a second um

1649
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:08,159
kevin

1650
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:12,960
stated that the spy one uh radar system

1651
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,199
which is the most advanced radar system

1652
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:16,960
on the planet

1653
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:19,440
this was observed

1654
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:23,199
from multiple ships it wasn't just one

1655
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:24,880
radar system

1656
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:29,520
so it was seen this way of uh

1657
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:32,880
with multiple spy-1 radar systems but

1658
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:35,280
combined with that

1659
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,760
was the visual contact

1660
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:40,000
that the pilots made

1661
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:43,360
he also observed this he went uh

1662
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:46,480
uh from uh below deck with the radar uh

1663
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,440
room

1664
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,400
and he was the commander of the radar

1665
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,840
room he's the guy walking in the

1666
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:53,120
background

1667
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:56,719
uh behind the radar operators um and

1668
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,000
he's commanding uh his crew he went

1669
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,560
above deck got on uh i forget what they

1670
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:05,520
call the the big binoculars right

1671
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:08,159
and and he copped a visual and and he

1672
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,679
was watching these

1673
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:12,400
uh from a great distance um

1674
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:15,920
so it's not just the spy one but you

1675
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:19,440
have the eyewitness accounts from the

1676
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,640
pilots

1677
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:22,880
so it doesn't appear to be

1678
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:25,520
uh listen i'm a skeptic on all of this

1679
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:27,920
because it's too extraordinary but you

1680
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,000
had the combination of

1681
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,840
uh human

1682
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:33,920
eyeballs and

1683
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:35,840
and the radar data

1684
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:36,640
now

1685
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:37,760
what do we

1686
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,719
how do you approach that well i don't

1687
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:42,080
know that we actually got to see the

1688
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,520
real radar data itself one of the

1689
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,199
problems we have a lot of the data from

1690
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,199
the from the navy is

1691
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:49,360
uh well say we don't really tend to

1692
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,560
trust the government too much when it

1693
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,719
comes to involving ufos and for good

1694
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,480
reason if we're not assuming they're

1695
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:56,400
hiding them we also they're not going to

1696
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:58,000
actually show us in a lot of cases

1697
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,520
anything that's going to reveal the edge

1698
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,679
of our technology to the opposition you

1699
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:02,800
don't want them to know exactly what

1700
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,719
your aperture speed is or what that

1701
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,480
trick is that causes like we saw with

1702
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,159
gimbal assuming we assumed the one

1703
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,080
interpretation of the gimbal one uh the

1704
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,480
camera to mess up and lose track right

1705
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:15,120
um so the radar data i don't know that

1706
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,640
we've really gotten to see that exactly

1707
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,640
let's see what the arizona would be i do

1708
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,920
know that from what we can see from the

1709
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,440
image for instance we can come with a

1710
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,280
couple different contradictory values

1711
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,199
what the acceleration might be some of

1712
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,679
which are as low as like 70g

1713
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:28,719
which is

1714
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,880
nothing we have right now but is in the

1715
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,120
zone of what we could make for a missile

1716
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:35,120
an unmanned one at that

1717
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,280
but uh again

1718
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:39,120
there's not enough unless we actually

1719
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,719
have the raw data ourselves and we know

1720
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,960
it's the raw data i'm hesitant to say

1721
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,960
that we can look at it with

1722
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:46,080
confidence

1723
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:47,920
because again this got delayed so long

1724
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,280
probably because i would guess the navy

1725
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,520
was wine to edit out anything that would

1726
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,960
cause them problems or at least wait

1727
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:54,000
till it wasn't going to cause them

1728
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,520
problems with releasing

1729
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:57,760
you know concealed sensitive you know

1730
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,480
vital technology to the opposition

1731
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,719
but uh was that what the actual real

1732
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,040
radar said that's what the guy thinks it

1733
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,840
says and it's his system i betcha he's

1734
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,440
probably not lying and i bet you he

1735
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,600
knows it pretty well so i would say that

1736
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,440
the radar he could be mistaken but i

1737
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,880
suspect we'll get an honest assessment

1738
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:17,040
of what they think the radar said and

1739
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,320
and the radar uh uh did this over and

1740
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,120
over again this wasn't one isolated

1741
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,120
incident no that's what we can't just

1742
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,800
say it was like one incoming meteor that

1743
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,239
exploded or something like that right

1744
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:30,880
right right and which i find i find that

1745
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,360
very very compelling

1746
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,040
um i

1747
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,600
uh and just to be clear here with you

1748
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:40,320
isaac uh my audience already knows this

1749
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:43,600
i don't believe that the three videos uh

1750
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:45,760
released uh that are out there the

1751
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,159
gimbal uh tic tac in the go fast i don't

1752
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:50,640
think that those show anything

1753
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:54,880
um i i i i'm not convinced of that it it

1754
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:57,600
doesn't match up with the radar

1755
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,280
uh and uh the human uh the eyewitness

1756
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:03,199
testimony that it's like it's two

1757
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,400
different things

1758
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,000
yeah i generally tend to think flow is

1759
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:08,320
the only one that was significant to me

1760
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,239
gimble and go fast are both

1761
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,719
pretty clear data arrows or weather blue

1762
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:14,000
i would say state of weather balloon but

1763
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,280
there are actually like thousands of

1764
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:17,199
weather balloons i think go faster with

1765
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,719
a weather balloon

1766
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:21,600
yeah it you know uh yeah you had to say

1767
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:22,960
weather balloon

1768
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,520
i know i know you just had to go there

1769
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:27,199
but um

1770
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,480
uh this is the other uh

1771
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:32,080
the other point

1772
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,679
when the radar data is showing these uh

1773
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,000
objects coming down and they and and

1774
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,840
kevin day who was on the show with us

1775
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:41,600
last monday it was a great show you

1776
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,320
should listen to it um kevin uh uh then

1777
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:49,440
orders uh flights to take place

1778
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:52,239
and uh commander fravor and alex

1779
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:55,600
dietrich his wing person she's a she uh

1780
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,560
alex

1781
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:59,040
um they take off and they head out to

1782
01:15:01,510 --> 01:15:00,640
this location

1783
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:01,520
and

1784
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:06,800
the tic tac which he described as

1785
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:08,840
uh 40 feet

1786
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:12,560
long round no appendages

1787
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:16,000
no propulsion no noise

1788
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,080
no wings nothing like that

1789
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,120
it looked like a 40-foot tic-tac

1790
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:23,600
now we've got a visual

1791
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:28,320
of what was uh identified on radar

1792
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,199
to hear that description coming from him

1793
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,679
uh and with all of your knowledge uh

1794
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:35,840
what did you what did you think of his

1795
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:40,080
eyewitness account um again the guy is

1796
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:42,000
an expert at his field though i will as

1797
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:44,000
always say i mean i was feared artillery

1798
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:45,199
well i was supposed to be trained how to

1799
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,800
spot things a certain distance and we're

1800
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,400
pretty good at it we used to make

1801
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,320
mistakes all the time you know i'd watch

1802
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:52,480
people be off by miles and i did it

1803
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,360
myself too so the eyewitness account is

1804
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,360
strong but not necessarily compelling

1805
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:59,360
here i think remember he says fravos

1806
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,719
case we had the data from that had

1807
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:02,159
indicated the radar on that was that it

1808
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,640
could be 150 g's i've never seen that

1809
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,320
for people on top though creator saw

1810
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,840
that to double check that and he had the

1811
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,199
visual on that and the radar on his

1812
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,440
particular case it's a strong case but

1813
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,000
it's one way or based on his only it

1814
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,640
could be a missile not one of ours not

1815
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:18,320
one of the other guys that we know of

1816
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:19,520
but it's in the zone of something that

1817
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:20,800
would be buildable from whether he

1818
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:21,840
wanted to

1819
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:22,560
so

1820
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,280
what was it he doesn't know i don't know

1821
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:29,520
it is that one at least his sighting

1822
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:31,280
is inside the area of what we might be

1823
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:33,679
able to build based on my own opinion

1824
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,800
the other stuff with the coming down

1825
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,800
from the sky at the same time with the

1826
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:38,480
radar returns with the stuff hovering in

1827
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:40,640
the air with the tones of off of that

1828
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,320
doesn't fit the picture as well though

1829
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,800
so i those i can't really tack up and

1830
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:46,719
say that's something we could build but

1831
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,280
with what he witnessed specifically that

1832
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,880
one might be buildable

1833
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:52,800
and again for all these we're assuming

1834
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:54,880
that these are honest witnesses and that

1835
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,360
they are expert witnesses those are both

1836
01:17:03,430 --> 01:16:59,760
debatable but i'm not going to so right

1837
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,440
and so uh the the other uh

1838
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:04,640
part of this

1839
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:07,440
is he gets into sort of a dog fight

1840
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:10,320
right he goes into uh a spiral

1841
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,280
uh

1842
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:13,679
down you know looking at the tic tac it

1843
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:17,920
is above uh the ocean uh at sea level he

1844
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,600
and then this thing takes off and it's

1845
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:21,679
like following him

1846
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,560
in the spiral alex dietrich is watching

1847
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,320
this and then

1848
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,719
he describes it as

1849
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,880
taking off like that

1850
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:32,400
and is gone

1851
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:35,120
and we you know within a second

1852
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,800
now

1853
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:38,400
it's one thing and i understand what

1854
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,840
you're saying because i'm with you on

1855
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,320
this could this be our technology

1856
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,280
in the spiral this wasn't maximum g's

1857
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,040
this wasn't crazy

1858
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:49,840
uh crazy stuff it was just a circular

1859
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:52,880
motion with this tic tac um

1860
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,000
under some kind of intelligent control

1861
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,239
because it is following him then it

1862
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:00,560
stops and then takes off disappears over

1863
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:03,600
the horizon and it's gone under a second

1864
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,920
uh again let's talk about the physics of

1865
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:07,920
something like that if his

1866
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:10,159
if what he saw was

1867
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,080
was what he saw how was that possible

1868
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,840
well i'm gonna spin something up just

1869
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:17,199
off the top of my head and let's say it

1870
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:19,040
was like a tank sabo it's a missile

1871
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:20,560
whose job is getting the position turn

1872
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,560
on an angle and then fire another really

1873
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,719
fast shot like a rail gun out of it or

1874
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:26,640
another sub rocket that could cause that

1875
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,360
kind of visual effect this has been

1876
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:31,280
at least less likely that he himself is

1877
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:32,640
suggesting there this is off the top of

1878
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,239
my head but that's how you can get that

1879
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:35,760
kind of characteristic a secondary

1880
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:38,320
vehicle or bullet in this case launches

1881
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,239
anyone seen tracer fire out of a gun

1882
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,400
those those can look like well you they

1883
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,640
look like a laser beam practically right

1884
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,560
you could have something like that take

1885
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,400
a shot and bullets can undergo thousands

1886
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,320
of g's of acceleration that was

1887
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:52,159
basically just getting into position and

1888
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,600
fired and that is something we've

1889
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,120
discussed as a potential weapon system

1890
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,040
before you send the missile out in the

1891
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,120
given direction and then it uses main

1892
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:00,960
fuel or it's whole package basically

1893
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,800
with tank saber on something else it

1894
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:05,040
fires a shot at an angle i think david

1895
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:06,320
weber used to like to do that with

1896
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:08,320
spaceships they'd send the device out

1897
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:09,600
and it was a missile but it actually

1898
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:11,360
exploded near the ship and shot a beam

1899
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:13,280
in from a direction different direction

1900
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:14,880
to cause it to get around things shields

1901
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:17,600
for instance or frontal armor i have no

1902
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,040
idea if that's anything like that like

1903
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:21,040
i'm spinning out of nowhere but that's

1904
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:22,480
one of the ways you would get that weird

1905
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,760
kind of characteristic of it acting

1906
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,199
normally and do you say that would seem

1907
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:27,360
impossible for that vehicle one second

1908
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,480
earlier

1909
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:30,400
now so it turns it spins and it shoots a

1910
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:31,760
shot out and that's what we see the

1911
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:33,199
vehicle is depowered now so you don't

1912
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,320
see it the best way because it just

1913
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:36,960
falls down or something like that does

1914
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:38,480
this uh

1915
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,040
smell let's get into the smell test does

1916
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:43,040
this smell of

1917
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:43,840
uh

1918
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,560
an anti-gravity type of propulsion

1919
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:48,880
system if you don't have wings you don't

1920
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:52,159
have air foils you don't have a rocket

1921
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,520
engine coming out of the back you don't

1922
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,400
have flames you don't have any of that

1923
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:57,520
is this

1924
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:01,440
uh some type of anti-gravity technology

1925
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,719
there's always a possibility on

1926
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,840
something like this when you're talking

1927
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:05,679
about technologies you don't have even

1928
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,120
on the drawing board trying to see what

1929
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:09,120
they could it couldn't be as tricky but

1930
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,400
if you have no rocket flame that's

1931
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:12,400
causing acceleration your options are

1932
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:13,760
essentially it's pushing against

1933
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:15,760
something gravity or magnetically both

1934
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,239
of those options uh it's pushing you

1935
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,239
using some unknown force of course it's

1936
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:22,000
firing neutrinos out the back side of it

1937
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:24,080
that's a possibility too it's firing

1938
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:25,280
something that's not visible with the

1939
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:27,040
eye and doesn't cause an obvious ripple

1940
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,320
effect in the air around it which

1941
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:30,320
nutrients the example of neutrinos make

1942
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:32,560
a great drive system uh it could be

1943
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:34,000
firing dark matter out the back of it

1944
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,679
that would do the same effect too it

1945
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:37,280
could be firing tiny little micro black

1946
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:38,800
holes out the back but there's a lot of

1947
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,360
options for potential proportion system

1948
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:43,120
that we wouldn't see ourselves and which

1949
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,560
wouldn't have an obvious effect on the

1950
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:47,040
air around it or one of our detectors

1951
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,000
um

1952
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:51,199
gravitic drive that would that be

1953
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:52,080
something equivalent to drive

1954
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,440
potentially do potentially yeah uh again

1955
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:57,120
technologies we don't have we can't talk

1956
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:00,159
about too much with real detail um one

1957
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,360
thing that always has to get in mind

1958
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,440
though is if you're under known physics

1959
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:05,199
and you want to change your direction

1960
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,719
maybe we don't know the unknown physics

1961
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,880
either you got to push against something

1962
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:10,239
you could be pushing into the plant

1963
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:11,840
that's what the gravity drive is kind of

1964
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:14,239
nice guys an idea as but if you're not

1965
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,600
that's a lot of energy you're spending

1966
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:18,080
you have to get it from somewhere and

1967
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:19,840
the way we looked at thing turning like

1968
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:22,880
if it was doing a 5000 g-turn and it has

1969
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,600
the mass of you know an airplane then it

1970
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,440
was using the kind of energies that the

1971
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,239
entire planetary economy uses in a given

1972
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,400
moment thousands of nuclear reactors

1973
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:34,400
worth and whether it's using a gravity

1974
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:35,679
try to do that or not still should have

1975
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,320
to pay that energy bill now of course if

1976
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:40,239
it's near a star spaceship they probably

1977
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,950
and

1978
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:47,040
that's very interesting

1979
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,719
let's stay right there for a second when

1980
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:50,719
we talk about

1981
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,000
uh

1982
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:54,639
80 000 feet you know sub-orbital that's

1983
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:58,560
high right uh down to 28 000 feet and

1984
01:22:02,790 --> 01:21:59,920
stopping

1985
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:02,800
it's it's it sounds impressive right

1986
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:05,280
okay we could see that in a movie

1987
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:07,280
but in the real world

1988
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:11,199
to stop from that kind of speed takes a

1989
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:15,280
lot of energy and we would see that

1990
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,600
that expulsion of energy right that

1991
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:19,120
wouldn't there be an effect on

1992
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:20,719
everything around it

1993
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:23,199
uh to just stop at that point

1994
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:24,400
well there's many ways something could

1995
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,520
stop like you don't have to have an

1996
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,120
on-board power supply to stop in the

1997
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:28,880
atmosphere you could do is aerobrake

1998
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,679
right

1999
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:31,360
so how would you air brake that quick

2000
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:33,679
well you need a parachute that was huge

2001
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:36,159
compared to your ship in terms of mass

2002
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:37,120
but you might actually be able to do

2003
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,400
something that with like graphing we

2004
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:39,840
asked about graphing and awesome stuff

2005
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,679
for space elevators that we can produce

2006
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:44,080
now just not saying ideal quantities

2007
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:46,639
that makes for an amazingly good

2008
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,239
parachute if you got that mastered

2009
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:50,000
because it's so cute atoms thick you

2010
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:50,880
could do

2011
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,360
kilometer wide parachute with ease

2012
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:57,120
and that's got the tents outside the

2013
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,480
pool so you would stop that fast enough

2014
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,560
vecchi itself so that would be an

2015
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:02,159
example where you could aerobrake but

2016
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:04,000
you'd see that you would see all that

2017
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:05,440
right yeah all that it's not just that

2018
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,040
you see the shoot too

2019
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,360
all that energy the ship had just had to

2020
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:11,360
get scattered into the air right on top

2021
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,480
of my head i don't know how much kinetic

2022
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,239
energy that ship would have no would be

2023
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:16,320
without its mass but over an entire

2024
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,760
kilometer i still think you see an

2025
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,520
infrared blur if not a visible one for

2026
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,199
something like that you would see a blow

2027
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:23,520
out of the water too as well you would

2028
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:26,159
it would have to go somewhere

2029
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:27,040
yeah

2030
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:28,639
you would you'd have something a ripple

2031
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:30,639
effect now i can't tell you that'll be

2032
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,600
something they would definitely have

2033
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:33,280
known or seen it could easily as if

2034
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:34,880
you're flying in a jet with all the air

2035
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,639
ripples going on you could easily maybe

2036
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,639
miss something like that but again i'm

2037
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:40,159
spinning stuff up out of nowhere someone

2038
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,280
might be comfortable the reason why that

2039
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,360
would not work but that would be example

2040
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:45,520
of how without carrying fuel something

2041
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:46,639
under known sites that we could

2042
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:49,760
potentially build could stop like that

2043
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,880
now i don't know how it would suddenly

2044
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:52,480
start spinning around the air without

2045
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,679
its own fuel right after that but that

2046
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:55,280
would be an example of when we could

2047
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,239
stop

2048
01:24:02,870 --> 01:23:58,800
and i don't know why you would be doing

2049
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:04,229
over somebody else's territory but there

2050
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:05,679
might be a spatula too if it's a secret

2051
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,000
prototype weapon sure sure now the uh

2052
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:12,480
uh the other part of this and this is

2053
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:14,960
something that you have uh done

2054
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:17,920
very very deep research into

2055
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:19,840
is

2056
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,639
you

2057
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:22,960
in in order for this to occur without

2058
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:25,520
anything happening around it

2059
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,320
you would have to have your own

2060
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:30,400
gravity uh

2061
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,520
well around you inside of the ship and

2062
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,000
around the ship where our gravity here

2063
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:38,000
on earth has nothing to do

2064
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:41,520
with what is happening with the tic-tac

2065
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,239
where g-forces don't matter the ship is

2066
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:46,000
being held together and not falling

2067
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:50,159
apart because it's in its own uh it's in

2068
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,440
its own bubble

2069
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:54,080
of of gravity is this

2070
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:56,639
is is this the reason why we didn't see

2071
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,159
any effects in our atmosphere

2072
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:02,159
uh none i mean we don't again know how

2073
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,760
an inertial compensator like to have in

2074
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,760
star trek would work for instance so we

2075
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:07,280
can't say that it would have no effect

2076
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:09,199
around it but you'd always expect the

2077
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,719
energy had to go somewhere i mean

2078
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:12,400
inertial compensators are a little bit

2079
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,840
like the casual artificial gravity

2080
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:15,760
island spaceships it's kind of an

2081
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,280
acknowledgment of hollywood's

2082
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:19,440
limitations of special effects sure uh

2083
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:20,719
there's not really a lot of science for

2084
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,719
how that would work but

2085
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,960
we don't believe that gravity and

2086
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,880
inertia are really actually related like

2087
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,719
we think they are your gravity we think

2088
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,239
might be completely separate from it

2089
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,679
also even though they both go off of

2090
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:33,920
mass you got your inertial mass and your

2091
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,320
quavitic active and passive gravity uh

2092
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,719
mass and they might be unrelated and it

2093
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,320
might be you can shut one off that's

2094
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:42,000
kind of what the interest of the higgs

2095
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,520
boson really is the end of the day is

2096
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,679
that's how we think inertia might work

2097
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:47,280
if you shut that off and again that's

2098
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,880
one of those technologies like perpetual

2099
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:51,199
motion machines that every alien empire

2100
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:52,480
should be working phonetically on

2101
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:53,840
figuring out how to do if it can be done

2102
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:55,360
they'll figure it out

2103
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,800
then you could potentially get stuff

2104
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,880
like that i would though say on the more

2105
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,920
mundane side um we have fuses that found

2106
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,440
out artillery shells for instance or

2107
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,199
bullets that undergo a thousand g's

2108
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,520
acceleration are still functional

2109
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,600
most technology most sensitive

2110
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,600
technology couldn't survive united gs

2111
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:13,360
normally but you can build that would

2112
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:15,040
that do a little bit more and of course

2113
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:17,520
humans can't survive that either but we

2114
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:20,080
don't need humans to fly ships anymore

2115
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:22,000
so we just have to have an assumption

2116
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:22,880
that somebody was able to build

2117
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:23,840
something to handle that amount of

2118
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,080
inertia and we probably could build

2119
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:28,000
something that could continue to run a

2120
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:29,840
drone and like a thousand jesus

2121
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:31,040
acceleration

2122
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,560
i think that's inside our attack right

2123
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,560
now grain of salt i bet it would be

2124
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:36,560
inside aliens for instance too we don't

2125
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,840
have to assume they just have a way to

2126
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:39,360
keep somebody alive inside there through

2127
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,159
inertia it might be only a

2128
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,400
post-biological item in there

2129
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:47,040
now um and when we come back off of the

2130
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,719
break i want to uh

2131
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:50,560
talk about this further

2132
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:53,920
um is the question of

2133
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,880
uh if this is our tech

2134
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:59,040
then it may be

2135
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:01,920
uh backwards engineered from a captured

2136
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:03,120
crashed

2137
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:06,159
uh alien uh flying saucer for the lack

2138
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:10,400
of a better word and we have uh uh

2139
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:13,199
backwards engineered that technology

2140
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:14,480
into

2141
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,639
this tic tac

2142
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,400
is this pushing things a little bit too

2143
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:20,159
far

2144
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:21,440
um

2145
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:22,800
it's technology we don't have a good

2146
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,280
basis in science for so if it's doing

2147
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:28,000
what that's expected to do it probably

2148
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:29,840
wasn't from all labs that we got the

2149
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:32,000
idea

2150
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,600
and so

2151
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:35,840
it is possible

2152
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,480
let's uh let's take this uh you know

2153
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:40,639
theoretically speaking

2154
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,400
um

2155
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:44,880
if if it is possible

2156
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,760
and our government is saying it's not

2157
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:49,280
ours

2158
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:52,320
could russia or china have leapfrogged

2159
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:53,920
way past us

2160
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:56,320
in this tech race uh

2161
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,560
with with technology that

2162
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:00,960
uh they've they've studied and

2163
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,120
engineered and are now demonstrating

2164
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:06,080
these capabilities on us

2165
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,840
it's always possible but if it was the

2166
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:09,520
russians i'd expect them to have

2167
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:11,120
displayed that technology a little bit

2168
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:12,639
more openly

2169
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:14,960
and uh i'll be honest i don't think they

2170
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,920
could have pulled off there but are

2171
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:17,679
keeping secrets that we are at least but

2172
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,080
uh i think they'd have have used it for

2173
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:22,800
other purposes by now and same with the

2174
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,520
same would go for the chinese yeah yeah

2175
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:27,120
and there's so many other applications

2176
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,440
to say it's not anything could be

2177
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:30,960
weaponized and if you got something

2178
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,159
produced enough a lot of energy like

2179
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:34,000
this to let you turn it as a ship it's

2180
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,679
most weaponized by aspect isn't the cool

2181
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,440
missile it makes it's the million

2182
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,760
hyper-powered super super profitable

2183
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:41,440
factories you can run on it instead as

2184
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:42,560
an engine

2185
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:43,360
you know

2186
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:44,960
the power plant and this thing is just

2187
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:47,840
too handy not to deploy in your civilian

2188
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,520
infrastructure economy because then you

2189
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:51,199
can dominate by simply producing way

2190
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,719
more guns and tanks of a conventional

2191
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:54,480
nature than everybody else yeah you've

2192
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,560
talked about this before on your your

2193
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:58,800
web series i find that very compelling

2194
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:01,120
let's take our break right here this is

2195
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,719
fade to black i am your host jimmy

2196
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:05,040
church our guest tonight isaac arthur we

2197
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:06,480
are talking about

2198
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:07,840
the physics

2199
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:10,000
of a tic tac more with isaac after this

2200
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:11,920
short break this is fade to black stay

2201
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[Music]

2202
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:35,990
way out here we listen to jimmy church

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hi i'm reece vance you're listening to

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church i guess tonight isaac

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arthur tomorrow night is fader night

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open lines all night long tonight we're

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talking about the physics

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of a tic tac

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and uh

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now uh continuing this conversation

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um

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uh

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directly because i did ask for

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permission

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um uh jack sarfati a physicist out there

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has been

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uh presenting uh a lot of uh math

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uh

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how this technology is being used today

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and i asked jack for his permission if i

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could send uh his his stuff out

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to various physicists that i know out

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there at uh caltech mit

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and uh and harvard uh which i did do and

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i also sent this uh uh some of the some

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of this a lot of it's a lot of it's a

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lot of stuff uh i sent some of it to

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isaac as well uh jack replied back he

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said go ahead jimmy go ahead i said all

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right

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last week and

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um i sent uh some stuff to you isaac and

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when you look at

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uh these equations i'm not gonna go to

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your responses uh to me i'm just going

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to ask you directly

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when you look at

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the math

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from sarfati

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does it make sense

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01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:16,719
the math i saw made sense but it was

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mostly just a repeat of of the usual

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competitive experiment for

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figuring out gravity

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uh expand on that that's that's too

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simplistic

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um well a long time ago kvendish was a

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scientist trying to measure the constant

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of gravity uh which we have now down to

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i don't remember how many digits it was

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eight when i was in college and it's

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very tricky to do they used to uh do

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this in journey but they actually have

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to chase birds out for a shotgun because

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they're just flying over the lab would

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mess up the experiment for the day but

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you basically tend to hang two big steel

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balls near each other and then move them

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closer or further from each other and

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see how much they change compared to

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what you'd expect if they want to hang

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the gravity factor in that's one of the

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many ways that it's done and mostly

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something you showed me at the time from

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him was basically just the repeat of the

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equations that

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you could find almost anywhere from that

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i didn't see anything in there one way

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or another that was controversial uh but

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uh does uh does the math

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show an anti-gravity propulsion system

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nothing that i was shown no nothing that

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uh that you sent me that from his walk

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indicated anything with anti-gravity

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and um and it mostly just looked like

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the way you would check if something was

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if you had it on hand

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if i was reading it right

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and

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how

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lot of research into this

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um how far along are we with with

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anti-gravity and and specifically the

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math because all of this is on

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on paper and white boards and inside of

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01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,440
computers i was going to say if you

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wonder how far along we are anti-gravity

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development

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nowhere uh

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in paper though we've got it pretty well

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mapped out uh depends on the

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cosmological model it looks different

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under

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string theory for instance than it does

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under

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standard model and i know general

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relativity from quantum mechanics and so

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on our knowledge of gravity has expanded

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vastly since uh since einstein's day on

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newton's day and it's still

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really tiny so

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we don't have anything approaching good

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01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:20,560
we have some good theoretical bases

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being those are pretty limited and but

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our experimental modeling and our

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technology for even more so is just very

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01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,159
limited with gravity there is no force

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01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:30,480
that we have known about as long as it

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01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:32,000
and there's no force we understand as

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badly as it yeah i i remember asking you

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01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:36,480
directly

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01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:39,199
a few years ago

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that

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does anybody have a a a definition of

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gravity that works i mean does anybody

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01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:49,440
understand gravity and clearly the

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01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:50,880
answer is no

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right

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i mean i'd modify that we understand its

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01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:55,679
effect pretty well you know we don't

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have the dog bulks

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uh we don't know how it works very well

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01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:01,040
though well it's improving we got those

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um

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01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:03,600
we finally showed at least the gravity

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waves existed the ligo experiments a few

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years back and the most energetic events

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01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:09,440
in the universe uh you know when they

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01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,320
had two black horse clyde but that's not

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01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:14,000
a very common experiment to be able to

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actually perform we should really

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waiting on those to happen but um

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01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:20,639
our knowledge improves but it's it's

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01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:23,360
sadly lacking and when we talk about

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anti-gravity and you know specifically

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01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:28,239
about an object uh you know like the

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01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:29,760
tic-tac

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01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:32,080
what uh what are we exactly talking

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01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,440
about here i mean it's it's it's such a

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a freely used term

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01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:41,360
when it's so misunderstood anti-gravity

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01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:42,239
but

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you would effectively i want to hear

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from you

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01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:48,239
but i guess what it means is you're

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neutralizing the effects of gravity

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with something

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that prevents gravity from uh attracting

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01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:00,400
or repelling right because gravity

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01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:03,679
approach way back in h.g wells uh

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i can't even know the name of the book

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the one that we go to the moon in though

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01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:07,600
they met a thing called cafe ride for

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01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:09,040
the scientists had it which was

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basically just repelled gravity so it

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01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,639
bounced off it like it was a light beam

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that's one model that could potentially

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01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:16,800
be true for gravity that's the gravitons

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01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:18,239
are just like little photons you could

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bounce them off it

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01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:21,920
that's usually thought to be wrong under

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01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:23,600
the einsteinian approach which is that

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01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,960
space time itself is warping and um so

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01:38:29,830 --> 01:38:28,560
if that was how it ended up working that

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01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:29,840
would be an example of how you could

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01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,280
have anti-gravity in the sense there

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01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:33,360
wasn't so much anti-gravity as

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gravity reflecting um i don't think

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that's how gravity works but it's still

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01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:39,760
in the zone of ones that could

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01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:41,600
potentially be true that would be one

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01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,360
example of a gravity neutralizing

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01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:45,440
anti-gravity advice other ones would be

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01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:48,400
ones that um oh which is

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01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:49,840
there there's so many various ways you

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01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,840
can do it based on how the actual

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01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:53,760
physics of it really turns out but

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01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:55,920
anti-gravity is inside the scope of what

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01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:58,320
might be possible might be possible

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01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,000
because again

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01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:02,480
we can generate every other force and we

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01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:03,520
should be able to find some way to

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01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:05,119
generate gravity obviously we can just

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01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,960
by using large masses

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01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,800
but it's

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01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:10,080
not necessarily what you'd expect for

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01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,679
use for a ship to get slowed down really

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01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:13,600
quick like that that might be how you

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01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:15,280
pushed on things but where you'd be

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01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:17,600
looking more there would be um not the

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01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:19,119
gravity component of it but rather that

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01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:21,679
inertia components and again mass works

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01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,840
with inertia and works with gravity but

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01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,199
under the standard model they're not

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01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:27,280
actually the same thing they just

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01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:29,280
coincide not coincidentally probably but

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01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:30,639
they just happen to use that same

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01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:32,719
concept of mass if you had something

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01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,679
that could eliminate something's

2446
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:36,480
inertial mass or temporarily drop it

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01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:37,920
that would let you do exactly what's

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01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:39,280
being done there but not necessarily

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01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:41,040
using energy

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01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,880
if your inertial mass was something you

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01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,119
could flip down to one percent of what

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01:39:50,229 --> 01:39:47,840
it normally was you'd still be going 100

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01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,239
times faster without having to add any

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01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:52,320
energy whatsoever conversely if you

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01:39:55,189 --> 01:39:53,440
could suddenly kick it up to be 100

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01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,199
times higher than it previously been you

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01:39:57,990 --> 01:39:57,040
say slow to one percent of your previous

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01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:58,000
speed

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01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,440
if you could master that kind of

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01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,960
technology that was actually possible

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01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:02,560
because that was how that worked out if

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01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:04,239
that was the real physics of the case

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01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:05,600
then you could do things like that with

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01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,280
a ship without needing a huge power

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01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:09,040
supply

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01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:10,159
now

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01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:12,320
okay so

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01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:15,920
it sounds like you are in agreement with

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01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:18,320
the uap task force

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01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,760
it's not it's not ours right wide and

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01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:23,360
they left a lot of latitude of the their

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01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:25,280
cops they did they did i don't think it

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01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:26,880
was one of ours i don't think it was one

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01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:29,119
of the uh any other i don't believe that

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01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:30,960
that whatever they saw belonged to any

2476
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:33,440
country out there on this planet

2477
01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:34,960
you know like i'm not going to say it

2478
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,840
absolutely didn't um and uh i don't

2479
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,280
believe anybody involved in the report

2480
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:40,960
was intentionally being incorrect with

2481
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:43,760
their information either so

2482
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:46,320
what is left isaac

2483
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:48,400
what is left

2484
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:49,679
what is it as we say with sherlock

2485
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:51,440
holmes once you've ruled out the uh the

2486
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,040
possibility possible whatever it is no

2487
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,360
matter how improbable must be what it is

2488
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,199
we have a lot it could still be we don't

2489
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:58,719
want to jump the gun out too much it

2490
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:01,280
could be a natural phenomena it could be

2491
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:02,159
i mean

2492
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:03,520
it's not going to be the one example of

2493
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:05,119
percentage was like a meteor falling and

2494
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:06,800
exploding at that height that's not

2495
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:08,480
gonna work out to be the case but

2496
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,600
there's a lot of things that could be

2497
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,360
including instrument error again we are

2498
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:13,199
assuming everyone was an honest witness

2499
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,560
but that doesn't mean they were a

2500
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:16,560
correct witness and there's a lot of

2501
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:18,239
things that can full radar there's a lot

2502
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,360
of things you can screw up while your

2503
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:21,199
returns you could potentially get a

2504
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,800
radar scene traffic something hot coming

2505
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:24,880
in and what they see is the object

2506
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:27,440
coming down and then a flash of steam

2507
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:28,800
for all the air is super heated that

2508
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:30,639
causes a radar return these kind of

2509
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,320
things are still on the table we don't

2510
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:34,080
have enough to be able to say what it

2511
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:35,600
was and that means there's a lot we

2512
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,719
can't rule out yet either but it wasn't

2513
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,880
a terrestrially created ship

2514
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:42,880
if it met any of those characteristics

2515
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:44,960
at least if it was it's from somebody

2516
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,600
who has an amazingly good resource team

2517
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,920
and an amazingly bad one when it comes

2518
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:51,600
to strategic usage since there's so much

2519
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:53,040
they could do with that they got the

2520
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:54,960
best jesus in the world working for them

2521
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:56,880
succeeding and the people employing it

2522
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:58,400
don't know what they're doing

2523
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:02,480
okay so now let's take uh let's take uh

2524
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:04,320
nuts and bolts out of it let's take a

2525
01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:05,920
physical craft out of it let's take

2526
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:07,760
anti-gravity out let's take all of that

2527
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:09,520
out

2528
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:11,840
but stay in the physics world

2529
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:13,280
what about

2530
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:15,920
a projection of light

2531
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:19,360
what about a hologram what about a

2532
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:23,360
plasma image being projected out that

2533
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:25,119
certainly would cover a lot of different

2534
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:27,520
things it would cover the speed factor

2535
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,920
it would cover the stopping factor it

2536
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:31,440
would uh

2537
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:32,239
uh

2538
01:42:39,270 --> 01:42:35,440
no no energy being admitted

2539
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:39,280
um could it be something as simple

2540
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:43,760
as a projection yes yeah

2541
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:45,119
uh especially something like magnetic

2542
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,960
lines work really well radar is

2543
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,080
obviously gonna go right through a

2544
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,840
hologram but uh that's only if you're

2545
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:51,360
using the classic light hologram

2546
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,960
approach there's a lot of ways that you

2547
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:54,480
could potentially be screened with

2548
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:55,920
matter and local area the casa radar

2549
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:58,480
return ionization real quick cause it

2550
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,800
right um and you know radar overtones

2551
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,880
are such weak things that we assume

2552
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,560
that the radar return is bouncing off a

2553
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:06,320
piece of metal

2554
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:07,760
but there or something else because we

2555
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,040
have a lot of known things that likely

2556
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:11,679
happen that we encounter um what could

2557
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:13,600
do that well i mentioned earlier that

2558
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,920
graphene option of like a parachute made

2559
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:17,840
of ultra-thin ultralight graphene what

2560
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,960
if it was a parachute paint with a

2561
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,560
plasma window instead

2562
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:22,080
a plastic window you suddenly heat the

2563
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:23,760
stuff up and it causes you know ionized

2564
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,119
particles to deflect away from it

2565
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:27,119
something we've looked at as a potential

2566
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:28,880
pre-over airlocks like a force field in

2567
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:31,600
space to just slow that air loss down

2568
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,560
um

2569
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:34,000
could something like that be done could

2570
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:35,760
somebody been screwing out with

2571
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,719
um

2572
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:38,880
something along the lines of uh

2573
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:41,440
you know a project or a plasma chapter

2574
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:43,520
you know uh to as a potential way of

2575
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:45,199
shooting down all planes or screen of

2576
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:47,360
their instruments why would you ever

2577
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:48,800
test your equipment whether you're an

2578
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:51,760
alien or another country anywhere near

2579
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,880
an aircraft carrier squadron

2580
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:56,880
well presumably either you want them to

2581
01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:00,080
see it or you need them there because

2582
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:02,000
they are component of your experiment

2583
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:03,360
each you don't want to see if they can

2584
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,280
pick you up for instance or if your

2585
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:07,600
device for screwing with their returns

2586
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,320
or their registers or their data worked

2587
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:12,639
right and if you got a decent spy system

2588
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:14,080
you could probably find out if something

2589
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:16,239
as simple as was an aircraft carrier

2590
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,520
suddenly convinced that they come across

2591
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:18,800
something they didn't want to see or

2592
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:20,080
just by looking at them and seeing how

2593
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:21,600
they've gotten ramped up from the event

2594
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:23,199
and sent out all the plays go check it

2595
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:25,040
out could someone have done something

2596
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,440
like that yes well we'll assume it's a

2597
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:29,760
spaceship man to unmanned the physics

2598
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:31,520
doesn't work out too well but again

2599
01:44:34,229 --> 01:44:32,800
that's only a limited number of the

2600
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,239
options someone could have been doing

2601
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,400
something along those lines it could be

2602
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:38,480
also a non-singular craft they could

2603
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:40,320
have been something like a cluster drone

2604
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:42,080
where they had something that came down

2605
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:43,679
really fast exploding a whole bunch of

2606
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:45,679
little drones lots of options that could

2607
01:44:48,709 --> 01:44:47,360
potentially be the case we shouldn't

2608
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:48,719
assume that if we can rule one of them

2609
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:49,920
out it definitely means a different

2610
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,960
answer

2611
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:52,800
and uh there's a lot you can do that can

2612
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:54,320
screw with radar returns infrared

2613
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:57,119
returns and obviously visual returns too

2614
01:45:00,550 --> 01:44:58,800
but the visual components the smallest

2615
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:00,560
one because it's really just very tiny

2616
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,040
things people saw no wonder we got a

2617
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:06,000
clear images of war now what about the

2618
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:08,880
physics of of plasma

2619
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:11,920
and and having a plasma image out there

2620
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:15,040
uh we do know that darpa and and the air

2621
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:16,480
force has been working with this

2622
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:19,440
technology for a long time to project a

2623
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:20,320
fake

2624
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,639
aircraft out there that looks like an

2625
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,719
aircraft that returns a radar signature

2626
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:26,639
like an aircraft but it's not

2627
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:29,440
and it's a plasma projection

2628
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:33,199
um what what is plasma and and how is it

2629
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:35,920
possible to morph it into a shape

2630
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,480
and and project it out there

2631
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,719
well plasma itself is just i mean at a

2632
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,800
basic level it's material that's not a

2633
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:44,560
not a gas anymore because it's so super

2634
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:46,000
heated that's getting ionized so the

2635
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:47,600
electrons are going to be offered the

2636
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:49,199
sun's exterior surface is made out of

2637
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,960
plasma for instance so is the interior

2638
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,239
you get them inside of fluorescent light

2639
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:54,639
bulbs too those that's full of plasma

2640
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:56,880
um and uh completely unrelated to the

2641
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,080
kind of things you have in blood plasma

2642
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:00,239
it's just a similar ward but origin wise

2643
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:02,080
um can we make the stuff absolutely do

2644
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:03,280
it all the time because we used to run a

2645
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:04,480
tv in a way you could think of like a

2646
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:06,320
old um

2647
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:08,000
uh well it's kind of exact opposite of a

2648
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:10,320
plasma actually but uh the old electron

2649
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:12,159
tubes inside vacuum tubes inside the old

2650
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:14,159
tvs they throw a little ion out there

2651
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:15,440
you know and that's that's being guided

2652
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:17,280
magnetically that's an example of how

2653
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:19,760
you control a plasma um the one problem

2654
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:21,760
you have with using stuff in the air

2655
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,960
because something we can absolutely make

2656
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:24,480
it goes really fast right if you're

2657
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:26,719
doing it right is that it tends to

2658
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,199
interact with everything plasma weapons

2659
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:31,199
as an example

2660
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:33,119
oh not long range usually because they

2661
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:34,960
they interact with everything they're

2662
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:36,719
ionized particles they're electrically

2663
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:38,000
charged they want to interact with

2664
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:40,159
everything plasma hitting this

2665
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:41,840
atmosphere above is what we see for the

2666
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:44,080
aurora borealis for instance but there

2667
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:45,199
are things you could do to generate a

2668
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:47,199
plant but locally for instance um you

2669
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:48,320
might be able to send a beam that

2670
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:50,000
interacted a certain distance with a

2671
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:51,920
pocket of a cloud of air like a water

2672
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:54,560
air and uh you know and suddenly turned

2673
01:46:58,629 --> 01:46:56,719
all that into a plasma and that's what

2674
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,639
caused that signature tone trying to

2675
01:47:01,830 --> 01:47:00,639
create a false image though don't think

2676
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:01,840
it was like we're going to make an

2677
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:04,239
actual projected image of a of a you

2678
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:05,440
know aircraft carrier that you're

2679
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:06,800
sitting there looking at five feet away

2680
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,719
like wow that's realistic think of it

2681
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:10,400
more as we could use to project

2682
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:11,679
something that would cause a radar

2683
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:14,400
return or an infrared return that would

2684
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:16,000
blip like that i think most people miss

2685
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:17,520
that almost all interactions these

2686
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,560
things are right at the edge of

2687
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,800
detectability they're that fuzzy little

2688
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:22,880
dot because we look at them we can first

2689
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,639
see them which is within the fuzzy dot

2690
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,480
stage that's where almost all the stuff

2691
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:28,639
is taking place at so things like that

2692
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:30,159
are an option and so would that be

2693
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:31,280
something that

2694
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:32,960
uh we'd be interested in resourcing well

2695
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:34,719
we know we all right it's not like it's

2696
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:36,320
even a secret we're looking into trying

2697
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:38,480
to do that uh all the countries do it

2698
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:40,000
i'd assume so i don't know if they're

2699
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:41,280
even doing it secretly they might be

2700
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:43,360
openly doing i'm just not aware of it of

2701
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:45,040
course there'd be a great thing you'd

2702
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,960
want to do is find a way to distract the

2703
01:47:49,669 --> 01:47:48,320
aircraft carrier fleet if you're not the

2704
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:49,679
us because

2705
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:51,119
that's one of our hugest military

2706
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:53,760
advantages that gigantic ability to send

2707
01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:56,320
an aircraft carrier into a region if you

2708
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,440
can do anything that screws their

2709
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:59,199
detection capability that outfox them

2710
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:01,040
that lets you scuttle their return so

2711
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,800
you get a missile into them that changes

2712
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:04,880
the game enormously and thus would be

2713
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:06,320
high on almost anybody's list of things

2714
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:08,719
to try to do uh is that what this was

2715
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:10,960
the case well i have no idea it might be

2716
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:13,760
you know again it's not a spaceship

2717
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:15,440
anyone on this planet made or the

2718
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:17,440
aircraft anyone on this planet made that

2719
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:19,360
doesn't mean it wasn't a projector we

2720
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:21,760
made for instance that's an option

2721
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:24,080
now if uh

2722
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,560
does this demonstrate to you everything

2723
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:29,040
that you've just explained to me

2724
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:30,719
um

2725
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,520
we are uh repeating ourselves and that

2726
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:35,920
we don't understand

2727
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:38,159
what has been going on we clearly don't

2728
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,400
understand that and that goes right back

2729
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:42,480
to what the uap task force reports that

2730
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:43,840
we don't understand we don't know what

2731
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:46,639
it is but we also don't understand

2732
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:49,440
if aliens are visiting this planet it

2733
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:52,000
would be technology that we wouldn't

2734
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:53,840
understand right

2735
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:55,520
potentially um you know there's a

2736
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:57,280
tendency to think they say well if we

2737
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:58,880
were to go backward in time everyone

2738
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,880
would think of your gods and point of

2739
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:02,880
fact i could show a you know a

2740
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:05,679
blacksmith back in in egypt ancient war

2741
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:07,440
pyramid days how to build a refrigerator

2742
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:08,880
nowadays the way that he'd understand in

2743
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:11,040
less than a day of we just explained it

2744
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:12,480
our technology is impressive in the

2745
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:14,400
scientific angle but most of them like

2746
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,159
smartphones computers is pretty

2747
01:49:20,229 --> 01:49:18,239
intuitively obvious it all works on

2748
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:20,239
stuff that they get you know a primitive

2749
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,760
tribe is not going to not understand

2750
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:23,520
what a car is for if they need to

2751
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:25,040
explain to them they might think it's a

2752
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,719
weird monster at first but they could

2753
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,560
hypothesize that it was a chariot and it

2754
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,320
was a weird one we shouldn't assume that

2755
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,800
alien technology is necessarily going to

2756
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,800
completely foul fox us and and be

2757
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:36,080
something we just don't recognize what

2758
01:49:39,589 --> 01:49:38,560
it is of course that said there's a high

2759
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:39,599
probability that would completely

2760
01:49:43,589 --> 01:49:41,440
confuse us and look completely alien or

2761
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:43,599
weird we have no idea how it walked uh

2762
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:45,599
we also don't want to assume that uh the

2763
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:47,040
answer is going to be something really

2764
01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:48,400
mysterious it might turn out to just be

2765
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,840
mundane like we but we just didn't think

2766
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:51,840
of it it's like the paper clip or you

2767
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,440
know other inventions that afterwards

2768
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:55,440
people go well in retrospect that was

2769
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:57,920
really obvious but none of us caught it

2770
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:00,639
you know that happens a lot

2771
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,560
we should never you know humility is an

2772
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,080
important thing for us to always have on

2773
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:05,920
all these things we don't know what it

2774
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:08,560
was at this time it might turn out that

2775
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,800
it was a fireworks show from the alien

2776
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,560
civilization show up to say hello and

2777
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:14,000
they can't believe we didn't catch the

2778
01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:15,840
obvious sign it might be that it was a

2779
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,360
mundane phenomenon that happens all the

2780
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:19,199
time like ball lightning and we just

2781
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,880
never saw it before it might be

2782
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:22,880
someone's new technology it might even

2783
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:24,320
be a spaceship we just had bad vents to

2784
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:25,599
returns

2785
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:27,760
and uh what it is right now we don't

2786
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:29,199
know but we don't want to jump too many

2787
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:30,880
conclusions about what it could be now

2788
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:34,159
one of the things uh that you uh have

2789
01:50:37,390 --> 01:50:36,400
presented over the years

2790
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:37,400
is

2791
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:41,520
self-replicating self uh manufacturing

2792
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:44,480
uh drones that an intelligent

2793
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:45,920
civilization

2794
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:49,920
uh would use to uh to map the galaxy and

2795
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:52,719
map the universe and go out and explore

2796
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:54,880
different alien planets and and that

2797
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:57,520
would be their job and we will probably

2798
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:00,480
be doing this soon ourselves

2799
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:03,520
and could this be an example of

2800
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:05,760
uh drones that are self-replicating and

2801
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:07,360
just going out and

2802
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:10,639
and and checking out the milky way

2803
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:13,040
of a von neumann probe is usually called

2804
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,960
uh for the mathematician is basically

2805
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:16,800
idea that you send a little probe and it

2806
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:19,119
revives the system scans around makes a

2807
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,400
bunch of copies of itself with it go out

2808
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:22,400
to other sources further away and of

2809
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:23,520
course it might do your brother things

2810
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:24,960
too the the version that's called a

2811
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:26,719
berserker goes out and finds the alien

2812
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:28,719
life and kills it right there's a lot of

2813
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:29,760
options you could do there but the whole

2814
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:31,599
thing works around the idea of a

2815
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,440
self-replicating thing you almost have

2816
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:35,360
to have this new space travel but it

2817
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:36,400
doesn't necessarily have to be too

2818
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:38,480
complex we have from science fiction

2819
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,520
this tends to think of it as

2820
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:41,199
nanotechnology

2821
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:42,239
mostly because the only way you can

2822
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:43,840
really do narrow technology is with

2823
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:45,280
self-replicating machines they have to

2824
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,599
imitate microbes at all but you can have

2825
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:49,119
a clanking self-applicator as we call

2826
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:51,599
that just basically a gigantic factory

2827
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:53,119
that has the ability to make any

2828
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:54,719
component needs including the robots to

2829
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,320
go dig up new bits of metal for it to

2830
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:58,480
make and that would be in many ways like

2831
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:00,880
us a very complicated system of many

2832
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:02,639
different components um that's

2833
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:05,119
self-replicating uh humans have millions

2834
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:06,560
of different types of self-replicators

2835
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:07,840
in us that are even genetically related

2836
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:09,920
to us in the last billion years and we

2837
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,400
use them as part of our machinery um

2838
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:14,400
would this be would aliens have this

2839
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,560
technology almost certainly if they can

2840
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,400
make it here i expect us to have at

2841
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:20,400
least the basic technology for this

2842
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,719
inside the next 20 or 30 years

2843
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,320
and i suspect we could put together a

2844
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:26,880
clanking supplicator now if we wanted to

2845
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:29,199
it's just that we already have

2846
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,639
mostly self-perpetuating systems that

2847
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,159
don't necessarily benefit from bringing

2848
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:34,320
that into play we probably could put one

2849
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,760
together if he really wants you a

2850
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:37,119
machine able to

2851
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:39,599
make itself from scratch this is not

2852
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:41,440
necessarily a huge advantage

2853
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:45,119
it it it's just it's it's a 3d printer

2854
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,320
basically

2855
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:48,480
it's a 3d printer that is able to print

2856
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:50,719
all its components and has to have at

2857
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,840
least as one of those components the

2858
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:53,520
ability to harvest the material it

2859
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:54,719
prints out of

2860
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:57,760
yeah land on an asteroid and and start

2861
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:00,320
cranking stuff out yeah it's great for

2862
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:02,800
starting up stuff in a new area inside

2863
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,119
an existing communicals a little bit

2864
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:07,440
less so and so that's probably why we

2865
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:08,960
wouldn't see one develop the next decade

2866
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:10,000
or so because it's not really a high

2867
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:11,199
priority to put something like that

2868
01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:12,800
together but what happened inside the

2869
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,639
century at the latest

2870
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:16,320
and that's going to change all space

2871
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:17,679
colonization

2872
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:20,400
absolutely and so would this be an

2873
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:23,280
example just based on the evidence that

2874
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:25,280
has been presented in front of you and

2875
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:26,880
the rest of the world

2876
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:28,880
could this just be

2877
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:31,679
alien probes nothing violent they're not

2878
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,199
here to take over

2879
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,760
anything they're just here to to to do a

2880
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:37,599
drive-by

2881
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,480
i mean that's always a possibility i i

2882
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,000
one example i like to use a lot of times

2883
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:44,000
is if it was meant to be a check to just

2884
01:53:47,589 --> 01:53:45,599
see us without us letting see them that

2885
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:47,599
was pretty sloppy because we spot them

2886
01:53:50,950 --> 01:53:49,520
all the time apparently if on the other

2887
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:50,960
hand it was meant to be hello it was

2888
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:53,199
pretty sloppy but we also have to keep

2889
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:55,119
in mind um he was like well we never

2890
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,480
make that kind of mistake we make

2891
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:58,239
mistakes all the time all stuff comes

2892
01:54:01,830 --> 01:54:00,000
crashing out all the time too so we

2893
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:01,840
could actually be seen examples of alien

2894
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:03,599
technology that was

2895
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:04,400
not

2896
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:05,520
as well designed as it should have been

2897
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:08,159
for the mission involved or which uh

2898
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,840
which uh happened to break down

2899
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:11,840
coincidentally but the first stuff

2900
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:13,360
upgrades you sent out on space are

2901
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,719
probably the one that would encounter

2902
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:16,320
leeway so in many ways your prototype

2903
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:18,080
because got the head start is whatever's

2904
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:19,199
going to come across they could be

2905
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:21,040
messed up once but i don't know why i

2906
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:23,599
mean an alien spaceship is likely to

2907
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:25,199
include self-reputation technology but

2908
01:54:29,109 --> 01:54:27,119
nothing about that particular incident

2909
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:29,119
says self-replicating on the fact you

2910
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:30,719
know that that if you have the

2911
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:32,080
technology the one you probably got the

2912
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:33,599
technology the other

2913
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:37,119
if it was a probe landing here um

2914
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:38,800
i will put one cavity on that i really

2915
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:40,960
don't expect a lot of probes to use

2916
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:42,320
self-replicating technology wherever

2917
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:43,360
they could get into kind of collisions

2918
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:44,960
or damage i think you send the

2919
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:46,719
self-replicator into the solar system to

2920
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:48,400
land on an asteroid at least that's how

2921
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,400
i would do it uh an asteroid out in the

2922
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:52,159
middle of nowhere cannibalize that thing

2923
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:53,599
to make all the tools you need for in

2924
01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:55,119
that system

2925
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:56,560
which shouldn't be that many if you just

2926
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:58,639
do an exploratory and you don't let any

2927
01:55:01,990 --> 01:55:00,000
of the things you send out from there

2928
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:02,000
have self-replicating ability because

2929
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:03,440
every time you send out a genuine

2930
01:55:07,589 --> 01:55:04,800
self-replicator

2931
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:07,599
your odds of mutation and problem uh go

2932
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:09,679
up a little bit more plus anytime you

2933
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:11,679
send out more technology you need that's

2934
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:13,280
something that if the alien race that

2935
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:15,040
recovers it has hostile intent gives

2936
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:17,360
them one extra bit to you know retro

2937
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:19,040
engineer and you should always assume

2938
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:20,239
that if you do with you know clever

2939
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:21,520
aliens or monkeys they're going to

2940
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:22,960
figure out a way to

2941
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:25,280
back engineer anything you've got

2942
01:55:28,550 --> 01:55:26,880
so what you're saying is there would

2943
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:28,560
have to be an off switch with the

2944
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:30,000
replication

2945
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:32,560
otherwise you would have uh

2946
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:36,400
trillions to the power of trillions

2947
01:55:40,550 --> 01:55:39,040
drones uh flying around

2948
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,560
yeah and i mean we see that in sofa

2949
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:42,480
bikini machines too you that paper clip

2950
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:44,159
maximize or snowy where it turns

2951
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,920
everything into paperclips but we have

2952
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:47,599
that with software machines and we have

2953
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:49,920
that built-in off switch say wow why is

2954
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,760
there a kill switch in our cells well

2955
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:53,440
there has to be otherwise you get you

2956
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:54,480
know each cell that grows faster than

2957
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:55,760
the others because it dominates the

2958
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,840
whole area you can basically cancel uh

2959
01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:59,199
so we have telomeres things like that

2960
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:01,360
that say stop replicating any of the

2961
01:56:04,229 --> 01:56:02,560
cells in your body are designed to

2962
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:04,239
replicate quickly

2963
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:05,520
don't get to do it on their own they

2964
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:07,280
have a built-in kill switch on them sure

2965
01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:09,360
somatic cells those are needed for

2966
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:11,520
replication that are the ones that

2967
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:13,119
have the ability to just keep cleaning

2968
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:14,480
and replicating themselves over and over

2969
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:16,480
again and they don't they only for

2970
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:18,080
advance the purpose of recruiting the

2971
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:20,800
entire organism not just skin cells that

2972
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,080
has to be built in there any

2973
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:24,159
self-replicating system has to have that

2974
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:25,679
built in it'll probably eventually

2975
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:27,040
evolve that way too but anybody who's

2976
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:28,639
got the technology to make these right

2977
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,760
probably was involved for somebody that

2978
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:31,440
has that built in is going to say well

2979
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:33,520
maybe before we do something incredibly

2980
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:34,880
stupid like destroy the universe or at

2981
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:36,639
least the galaxy we should actually

2982
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:39,280
replicate off of you know our own cells

2983
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:40,880
the biology around us and the lessons is

2984
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:43,119
learned um although i will say that with

2985
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:44,400
a grain of salt

2986
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:45,520
we should never underestimate how

2987
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:46,719
intelligent aliens are but we should

2988
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:48,400
also never underestimate how stupid they

2989
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:51,199
are based on ourselves

2990
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:54,320
look at ourselves every time look at me

2991
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,440
so uh you can get an intelligence level

2992
01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:59,760
right there but this is the thing

2993
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:01,679
um and i want to discuss this more when

2994
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:03,520
we come back off of the break

2995
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:06,320
it appears uh i want you to put your

2996
01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:09,920
alien e.t hat on isaac

2997
01:57:14,229 --> 01:57:11,760
it appears that they've got an interest

2998
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,239
in our navy we haven't seen tic tacs

2999
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:16,159
over los angeles we haven't seen tic

3000
01:57:18,229 --> 01:57:17,440
tacs over

3001
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:18,239
uh

3002
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:20,400
dayton ohio right i don't think you've

3003
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,400
seen any lately

3004
01:57:26,070 --> 01:57:24,880
from your home but

3005
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:26,080
why

3006
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:32,800
in our navy off of both of our coast but

3007
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:35,360
we don't hear reports of

3008
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:37,679
the the japanese navy the australian

3009
01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:40,719
navy the the british navy uh the royal

3010
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:43,199
navy uh with these encounters it just

3011
01:57:47,189 --> 01:57:44,320
seems to be

3012
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the united states if you're et why is

3013
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:48,719
this

3014
01:57:52,950 --> 01:57:50,159
well we've got a few possible reasons

3015
01:57:54,070 --> 01:57:52,960
this will be the case one if if it is et

3016
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:54,080
it might be that they're particularly

3017
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interested in whatever who's got the

3018
01:57:58,870 --> 01:57:57,119
best technology now navy does have the

3019
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best uh well at least the

3020
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:01,199
u.s has the best military technology

3021
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:03,360
usually uh the other option of course is

3022
01:58:07,189 --> 01:58:05,040
if they're basing out detection grids

3023
01:58:09,990 --> 01:58:07,199
same thing we're most likely to spot

3024
01:58:12,790 --> 01:58:10,000
them seeing us right you it's hard to

3025
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:12,800
hide and if you are trying to hide the

3026
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people who are the best vision of the

3027
01:58:17,750 --> 01:58:15,920
ones most likely catch you doing it so

3028
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:17,760
that might be the reason why too then

3029
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:19,199
the flip side of that of course is that

3030
01:58:23,189 --> 01:58:21,360
if it's a terrestrial-based thing the

3031
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people who are trying to look at uh how

3032
01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:24,719
do i test this new prototype they're

3033
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always going to want to go take on the

3034
01:58:30,070 --> 01:58:28,400
a-team for that if you're trying to see

3035
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you know can i get this secret little

3036
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:32,239
missile or ship or whatever through

3037
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:33,520
you know you don't go and pester the

3038
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:35,040
folks in bolivia no offense to bolivia

3039
01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:36,800
you go take on the us navy or the u.s

3040
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:37,920
air force

3041
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:39,520
so yeah go to the pros if you want to

3042
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:41,520
see how good your stuff is yeah and if

3043
01:58:45,990 --> 01:58:44,320
uh if you're arriving off planet here

3044
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:46,000
and you're going to

3045
01:58:54,149 --> 01:58:46,960
uh

3046
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:54,159
san diego pretty large naval presence

3047
01:59:00,950 --> 01:58:57,040
norfolk virginia right uh on the east

3048
01:59:04,629 --> 01:59:00,960
coast uh uh the coast of florida huge

3049
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:04,639
navy shipyards and and naval bases

3050
01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:06,400
probably anywhere on the planet those

3051
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:08,080
would be the two locations you would go

3052
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:10,639
to and those are the two locations where

3053
01:59:14,709 --> 01:59:12,800
these sightings have occurred

3054
01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:14,719
also with nosy in the pacific ocean is

3055
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:16,480
very nearly half the planet and there's

3056
01:59:19,109 --> 01:59:18,080
really only one navy of significance

3057
01:59:20,870 --> 01:59:19,119
that tends to hang out there at the

3058
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:20,880
atlantic a lot more people play in that

3059
01:59:25,430 --> 01:59:23,840
sea the pacific that's mostly us

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let's take our break right here our

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guest tonight the one and only isaac

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arthur we are discussing the physics of

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02:04:18,550 --> 02:04:14,880
welcome back i'm delayed

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i'm in twitter i'm in the chat room

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uh

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channel see uh there you go isaac

3158
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that's what i'm doing right now

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i gotta get you more followers more

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subscribers okay like you need it like

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you needed

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um okay

3163
02:04:45,030 --> 02:04:41,920
now let's change gears

3164
02:04:49,589 --> 02:04:45,040
and uh and let's bump heads a little bit

3165
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:49,599
um uh in the kindest gentlest uh fashion

3166
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:52,480
but it's this um my argument

3167
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:53,280
is

3168
02:04:57,109 --> 02:04:55,440
i think it's very fundamental

3169
02:05:01,189 --> 02:04:57,119
when uh

3170
02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:01,199
any of the fermi paradoxians approach me

3171
02:05:08,629 --> 02:05:03,280
and and they bring up you know the great

3172
02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:08,639
filters and and and all of this i i my

3173
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:11,440
i go fundamental which is this you

3174
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:13,840
cannot prove to me

3175
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:16,000
that we are unique

3176
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:18,880
you can't prove to me that the life out

3177
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:20,639
there is rare

3178
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:23,440
the proof is the opposite

3179
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:26,400
and that is particles only combine so

3180
02:05:31,669 --> 02:05:28,719
many different ways that's it it's

3181
02:05:32,830 --> 02:05:31,679
finite and the magic that happens on

3182
02:05:36,669 --> 02:05:32,840
this planet

3183
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,679
happens in an infinite sense

3184
02:05:42,149 --> 02:05:38,480
everywhere

3185
02:05:43,430 --> 02:05:42,159
that's that's it i and i have that proof

3186
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:43,440
you don't

3187
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:45,360
and i'm not specifically talking about

3188
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:48,400
you isaac but but but

3189
02:05:54,950 --> 02:05:51,599
uh life is unstoppable we've tried to

3190
02:05:57,910 --> 02:05:54,960
stop it on this planet many times um and

3191
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:57,920
and it just comes bouncing back

3192
02:06:01,189 --> 02:06:00,400
and and that's it and it has to be that

3193
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:01,199
way

3194
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:03,199
out there throughout the universe and

3195
02:06:06,149 --> 02:06:05,199
that's it there there is no argument

3196
02:06:07,030 --> 02:06:06,159
here

3197
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:07,040
so

3198
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:10,000
the the amount of life just in our milky

3199
02:06:13,910 --> 02:06:10,800
way

3200
02:06:15,990 --> 02:06:13,920
has to be extraordinary and we're out

3201
02:06:18,229 --> 02:06:16,000
there trying to find exoplanets they're

3202
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:18,239
doing the same thing and they know that

3203
02:06:24,229 --> 02:06:20,880
we're here and i i don't think that that

3204
02:06:25,910 --> 02:06:24,239
is uh open to debate isaac

3205
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:25,920
well everything's open debate i would

3206
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:27,679
say that i would not be surprised to

3207
02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:29,280
find alien life

3208
02:06:33,950 --> 02:06:32,560
on mars or on venus even or titan that

3209
02:06:35,510 --> 02:06:33,960
had originated there or europa

3210
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:35,520
organometallista everyone always says

3211
02:06:39,350 --> 02:06:36,800
you're open overlooks the other moons

3212
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:39,360
are just as good um i would not be

3213
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:40,800
surprised if life evolved separately on

3214
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:43,199
those places i also would not be

3215
02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:45,360
surprised if we explored every last

3216
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:47,520
planet in this entire galaxy and never

3217
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:49,760
found another single living organism

3218
02:06:53,350 --> 02:06:51,280
i also wouldn't be too surprised we

3219
02:06:55,350 --> 02:06:53,360
found life on almost every planet out

3220
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:55,360
there that could and none of it ever got

3221
02:06:58,629 --> 02:06:57,199
a brain you know if it depends on if you

3222
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:58,639
ask the biologist they often say there's

3223
02:07:02,390 --> 02:06:59,679
a lot of different pathways that could

3224
02:07:03,910 --> 02:07:02,400
go it might be they're all covered in lj

3225
02:07:06,069 --> 02:07:03,920
we don't know the odds and the problem

3226
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:06,079
is the numbers involved were so huge you

3227
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:07,520
say well there are trillions of plants

3228
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:10,480
out there this is true uh problem is if

3229
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:12,400
the odds of life get intelligent

3230
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:15,119
on the planet is one in a quadrillion

3231
02:07:18,709 --> 02:07:16,719
then your odds are finally on a trillion

3232
02:07:20,629 --> 02:07:18,719
planets only one thousand but where do

3233
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:20,639
you get one in a future but where do you

3234
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:22,320
get where do you get one in a

3235
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:23,840
quadrillion

3236
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:26,719
i would say it's one to one it's not one

3237
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:29,520
in quadrillion i would say that it's the

3238
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:31,840
it's the exact opposite of that

3239
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:33,360
and it could be really huge we don't

3240
02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:35,040
know but like as an example there's

3241
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:37,599
about a quadrillion stars that are close

3242
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:38,880
enough to us

3243
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:40,159
that the light from them could have

3244
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:41,520
reached us when the universe is or

3245
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:43,280
enough to produce life right that's kind

3246
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,719
of where i get that loose one from the

3247
02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:46,560
old dyson delivery concept

3248
02:07:50,950 --> 02:07:48,480
the the thousand or so million or so in

3249
02:07:52,709 --> 02:07:50,960
the us galaxies could have civilizations

3250
02:07:54,629 --> 02:07:52,719
that a billion years ago were already

3251
02:07:56,629 --> 02:07:54,639
big enough that we could see them as

3252
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,639
culture chef three civilizations galaxy

3253
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:58,239
spanning ones and then we'd be able to

3254
02:08:01,589 --> 02:07:59,920
see them back here that's usually where

3255
02:08:04,310 --> 02:08:01,599
i get that bubble of we haven't detected

3256
02:08:06,470 --> 02:08:04,320
any of those with dyson seti right that

3257
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:06,480
at least none of them are existing that

3258
02:08:09,510 --> 02:08:08,159
way of course they might not be visible

3259
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:09,520
that way for the number of reasons that

3260
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:12,159
they exist but if they exist and they

3261
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:14,480
were visible that way we'd see them

3262
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,560
so they can't exist that way or follow

3263
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:18,320
that model whether that's because they

3264
02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:20,239
don't exist or they just don't follow

3265
02:08:23,990 --> 02:08:22,480
that model or one of our key concepts is

3266
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:24,000
wrong any of those answers potentially

3267
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:25,040
be valid

3268
02:08:30,950 --> 02:08:28,000
and and i agree with that and there's a

3269
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:30,960
there's another part to this

3270
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:34,880
we keep focusing on because it's our

3271
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:37,119
knowledge base and i get that you know

3272
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:39,280
we only know what we know here

3273
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:42,960
but we keep focusing on we would see

3274
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:45,199
and i've heard you say this many times

3275
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:48,159
we would see travel between star systems

3276
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:50,400
we would see evidence of that we would

3277
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:54,719
see this we would but wait a minute

3278
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:56,079
we

3279
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,360
what if their method of travel has

3280
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:01,199
nothing to do

3281
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:02,400
with uh

3282
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:05,440
a physical traveling

3283
02:09:10,550 --> 02:09:08,239
that if there's something else in play

3284
02:09:12,629 --> 02:09:10,560
where they are able to go from star

3285
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:12,639
system to star system

3286
02:09:16,830 --> 02:09:14,719
without moving at all

3287
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:16,840
and and we wouldn't see

3288
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:21,520
uh space freighters you know space trade

3289
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:23,599
you know i imagine it was like uh one of

3290
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:25,360
my favorite sci-fi shows even when star

3291
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:27,599
trek or star wars a star gate and on

3292
02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:29,360
that one you would never need a

3293
02:09:32,950 --> 02:09:30,719
spaceship because you just go from one

3294
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:32,960
planet to another fight walk through the

3295
02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:35,119
gate on the planet and we shouldn't want

3296
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:36,320
an option like that but then that's

3297
02:09:39,669 --> 02:09:37,920
that's that multiverse example you're

3298
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:39,679
talking about all the infinite numbers

3299
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:41,199
of possibilities well if there are an

3300
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:42,880
infinite number of uninhabited earths

3301
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:44,800
out there or very near the infinites

3302
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:47,280
it's like 10 to the 10 to the 77th right

3303
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:48,960
uh which is a number so huge that you

3304
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:50,719
could actually do one followed by zero

3305
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:51,920
as wrapped all the way on the planet

3306
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:53,599
over and over and over and over again i

3307
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:55,440
think the number is eighty i think the

3308
02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:57,280
number is eighty-six i went out of

3309
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:00,400
plastic to colonize the numbers 80.

3310
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:03,760
isaac the number's 86 not 77 i'm just is

3311
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:07,199
it is it 10 to 10 86

3312
02:10:11,589 --> 02:10:08,400
i think that was based off the hubble

3313
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:11,599
value of the right

3314
02:10:16,069 --> 02:10:13,040
argument

3315
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:16,079
uh i'm i'm arguing with the physicist no

3316
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:17,520
i was just pulling a number out of the

3317
02:10:22,149 --> 02:10:20,480
air but see you you bit though you bit

3318
02:10:23,030 --> 02:10:22,159
um the

3319
02:10:25,830 --> 02:10:23,040
uh

3320
02:10:26,709 --> 02:10:25,840
but but the concept that i am suggesting

3321
02:10:28,950 --> 02:10:26,719
here

3322
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:28,960
is that um

3323
02:10:33,910 --> 02:10:31,199
we keep thinking of

3324
02:10:36,069 --> 02:10:33,920
the the physical side of things and

3325
02:10:38,470 --> 02:10:36,079
and and the speed of light and and the

3326
02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:38,480
physics as we understand it here i i i

3327
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:40,239
get all of these really key there though

3328
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:41,760
because we say

3329
02:10:45,189 --> 02:10:43,679
we is usually physicists and you're

3330
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:45,199
asking astronomy for a solution he's

3331
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:46,719
going to give you an astronomical one

3332
02:10:49,830 --> 02:10:48,320
when you ask a physicist for how the

3333
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:49,840
universe is based he's going to give you

3334
02:10:53,750 --> 02:10:51,920
a physical one ask a sociologist or

3335
02:10:55,270 --> 02:10:53,760
historian to give a different one

3336
02:10:59,430 --> 02:10:55,280
and okay

3337
02:11:01,109 --> 02:10:59,440
so but their version of travel

3338
02:11:02,709 --> 02:11:01,119
is not going to be something that we

3339
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:02,719
understand right now you can think

3340
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:05,840
outside the box all all that you want

3341
02:11:10,790 --> 02:11:06,800
but

3342
02:11:13,750 --> 02:11:10,800
even that isn't isn't enough there has

3343
02:11:15,990 --> 02:11:13,760
to be something that they are doing that

3344
02:11:18,390 --> 02:11:16,000
we just clearly don't understand yet and

3345
02:11:20,149 --> 02:11:18,400
even if they arrived here and tried to

3346
02:11:22,069 --> 02:11:20,159
explain it to us

3347
02:11:24,069 --> 02:11:22,079
we wouldn't get it

3348
02:11:26,790 --> 02:11:24,079
and i i don't i don't think it is a

3349
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:26,800
physical form of travel i don't

3350
02:11:30,069 --> 02:11:28,480
that's a possibility again it might be

3351
02:11:32,069 --> 02:11:30,079
something we weren't even looking for if

3352
02:11:34,470 --> 02:11:32,079
i was trying to find the the future of

3353
02:11:35,589 --> 02:11:34,480
motor travel in the 1900s as harry ford

3354
02:11:37,270 --> 02:11:35,599
said you'd ask people what they want

3355
02:11:39,030 --> 02:11:37,280
they'd say a faster horse so if i was

3356
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:39,040
trying to detect it i'd be looking for

3357
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:40,719
clearly a faster horse must produce more

3358
02:11:44,470 --> 02:11:42,800
waste than a normal horse thus if it was

3359
02:11:46,950 --> 02:11:44,480
around this road should be covered in a

3360
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:46,960
lot more excrement well that would

3361
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:48,560
probably be about as valuable as that

3362
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:51,360
answer was too so um you know we don't

3363
02:11:55,350 --> 02:11:53,040
know what to look for if it's not our

3364
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:55,360
own technology or known physics i only

3365
02:11:58,950 --> 02:11:57,199
would modify that by saying we don't

3366
02:12:00,310 --> 02:11:58,960
know how their technology works we don't

3367
02:12:02,390 --> 02:12:00,320
know what the answer's gonna be but we

3368
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:02,400
have to expand it i'll say

3369
02:12:05,990 --> 02:12:04,800
we know with the fermi paradox or the

3370
02:12:07,270 --> 02:12:06,000
versions of it that involve actual

3371
02:12:09,030 --> 02:12:07,280
sightings too

3372
02:12:10,310 --> 02:12:09,040
something's missing from the equation

3373
02:12:13,030 --> 02:12:10,320
we're all pre you know none of the

3374
02:12:14,069 --> 02:12:13,040
answers really fit quite correct that

3375
02:12:15,589 --> 02:12:14,079
might be that we're wrong about how

3376
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:15,599
healing and technologies work and how

3377
02:12:18,550 --> 02:12:17,199
they develop well it might be that

3378
02:12:19,910 --> 02:12:18,560
something more fundamental could be

3379
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:19,920
wrong you know we shouldn't even rule

3380
02:12:23,430 --> 02:12:21,920
out the universe might be infinitely old

3381
02:12:25,350 --> 02:12:23,440
uh it might be that it's actually 10

3382
02:12:26,790 --> 02:12:25,360
minutes old we might be in a simulation

3383
02:12:29,030 --> 02:12:26,800
these are possible answers that are

3384
02:12:30,870 --> 02:12:29,040
legitimate to look at uh it could be

3385
02:12:33,430 --> 02:12:30,880
that we really messed up some basic

3386
02:12:34,709 --> 02:12:33,440
piece of our basic biology or physics it

3387
02:12:36,069 --> 02:12:34,719
could be could be just be really wrong

3388
02:12:36,950 --> 02:12:36,079
because these are almost always based

3389
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:36,960
off of

3390
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:38,719
based on what we know

3391
02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:40,719
something we know is not right well

3392
02:12:43,990 --> 02:12:42,719
maybe something we know is wrong instead

3393
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:44,000
you know

3394
02:12:46,950 --> 02:12:46,079
we don't know how their technology works

3395
02:12:48,470 --> 02:12:46,960
maybe

3396
02:12:50,390 --> 02:12:48,480
the answer is simply that we've made a

3397
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:50,400
fundamental mistake in all science as

3398
02:12:53,669 --> 02:12:51,760
opposed to simply not learn something

3399
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:53,679
new yet too we can't rule those problems

3400
02:12:56,550 --> 02:12:54,880
out and it's the problem with trying to

3401
02:12:58,629 --> 02:12:56,560
think outside the boxes

3402
02:13:00,950 --> 02:12:58,639
you first have to actually get out of

3403
02:13:02,950 --> 02:13:00,960
the box to do that and you also need to

3404
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:02,960
make sure your tools are working because

3405
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:04,400
once you get that cam outside look at

3406
02:13:07,669 --> 02:13:05,760
the exterior of the box doesn't do any

3407
02:13:09,109 --> 02:13:07,679
good if the camera doesn't work

3408
02:13:10,629 --> 02:13:09,119
well because you just don't even have a

3409
02:13:12,069 --> 02:13:10,639
functioning camera

3410
02:13:14,069 --> 02:13:12,079
and and we're trying to look at

3411
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:14,079
something uh

3412
02:13:19,830 --> 02:13:17,360
with our uh technology telescopes and

3413
02:13:21,430 --> 02:13:19,840
and things even our own eyeballs that

3414
02:13:24,229 --> 02:13:21,440
are only seeing

3415
02:13:25,750 --> 02:13:24,239
where we are in this frequency

3416
02:13:27,750 --> 02:13:25,760
we're looking for something that could

3417
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:27,760
be just completely invisible to our

3418
02:13:32,069 --> 02:13:30,560
technology completely invisible you uh

3419
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:32,079
you go to another dimension to use your

3420
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:34,079
travel so we open a portal up we stick a

3421
02:13:36,629 --> 02:13:35,280
camera through and we say we don't see

3422
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:36,639
anything at all and it turns out the

3423
02:13:39,510 --> 02:13:37,679
reason for that is in that universe

3424
02:13:39,900 --> 02:13:39,520
there's no photons right they just don't

3425
02:13:41,589 --> 02:13:39,910
exist

3426
02:13:44,790 --> 02:13:41,599
[Laughter]

3427
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:44,800
that's exactly my point that's exactly

3428
02:13:50,390 --> 02:13:48,000
my point now uh let's let's take things

3429
02:13:51,229 --> 02:13:50,400
a little bit further

3430
02:13:52,790 --> 02:13:51,239
let's

3431
02:13:53,750 --> 02:13:52,800
suppose

3432
02:13:56,069 --> 02:13:53,760
that

3433
02:13:59,750 --> 02:13:56,079
uh the cat gets out of the back right

3434
02:14:01,669 --> 02:13:59,760
and and the government says look uh

3435
02:14:03,430 --> 02:14:01,679
e.t is here

3436
02:14:06,310 --> 02:14:03,440
they have been visiting

3437
02:14:09,109 --> 02:14:06,320
the objects that have been seen

3438
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:09,119
um are are real

3439
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:13,199
how does this change your concept into

3440
02:14:17,750 --> 02:14:15,599
uh how they are getting here and why we

3441
02:14:19,830 --> 02:14:17,760
are not seeing them

3442
02:14:21,430 --> 02:14:19,840
i have to be honest i was a skeptic side

3443
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:21,440
of this so long in terms of the physics

3444
02:14:25,990 --> 02:14:23,920
of it by probably my first response to

3445
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:26,000
them coming out and saying no seriously

3446
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:28,000
et's been here we've had negotiations

3447
02:14:31,990 --> 02:14:30,400
with us ah it's a lying political trick

3448
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:32,000
of some kind

3449
02:14:35,990 --> 02:14:33,679
but uh i mean if they came out and said

3450
02:14:37,189 --> 02:14:36,000
it and they got the evidence for it uh

3451
02:14:38,550 --> 02:14:37,199
i'd like to think that i just presented

3452
02:14:40,550 --> 02:14:38,560
with evidence that i would change my

3453
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:40,560
mind appropriately but um

3454
02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:42,400
how would it change our world for you

3455
02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:43,920
i'm not sure if you would change it that

3456
02:14:46,390 --> 02:14:45,280
much because i mean you know you ask

3457
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:46,400
most people do you believe in aliens

3458
02:14:51,189 --> 02:14:47,840
these days the poles are usually yes

3459
02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:51,199
they do yes that's right yeah um and uh

3460
02:14:53,910 --> 02:14:52,480
yeah i mean usually it's like well do

3461
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:53,920
the skeptics believe in aliens both the

3462
02:14:57,750 --> 02:14:55,840
acts i'm on that arch skeptic side in

3463
02:14:59,990 --> 02:14:57,760
terms of i don't think there's any eti's

3464
02:15:01,430 --> 02:15:00,000
within our galaxy most scientists think

3465
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:01,440
there is yeah they don't think they're

3466
02:15:06,149 --> 02:15:04,320
visiting us right now um how would it

3467
02:15:08,229 --> 02:15:06,159
change our world view well i mean being

3468
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:08,239
presented with the reality of it in your

3469
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:10,000
face you know they are part of your

3470
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:12,159
day-to-day life that absolutely is

3471
02:15:15,109 --> 02:15:13,599
different than having your head as a

3472
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:15,119
theoretical model but it does give you a

3473
02:15:20,069 --> 02:15:17,760
basis and there's a part of me that says

3474
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:20,079
a week later it'd be old news

3475
02:15:25,510 --> 02:15:22,639
i i i you you're absolutely right with

3476
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:25,520
that we've been we've been pummeled with

3477
02:15:29,910 --> 02:15:27,599
these ideas and theories you know with

3478
02:15:32,870 --> 02:15:29,920
hollywood and books and and eyewitness

3479
02:15:34,709 --> 02:15:32,880
testimony my own sightings you know it's

3480
02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:34,719
been going on for so long that if the

3481
02:15:39,910 --> 02:15:37,840
big reveal just happened

3482
02:15:41,430 --> 02:15:39,920
probably 15 minutes

3483
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:41,440
yeah you said a week i think you're

3484
02:15:46,390 --> 02:15:44,320
being very generous i'm going 15 minutes

3485
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:46,400
life still goes on here

3486
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:48,560
um but there's there's

3487
02:15:52,629 --> 02:15:51,040
i want to go back to the technology for

3488
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:52,639
a second

3489
02:15:57,990 --> 02:15:56,159
there has been including myself isaac

3490
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:58,000
a lot of

3491
02:16:03,109 --> 02:15:59,920
sightings that

3492
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:03,119
have appeared in the sky

3493
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:05,599
and then disappeared

3494
02:16:10,550 --> 02:16:07,440
i've seen it myself

3495
02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:10,560
appeared and then disappeared

3496
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:12,079
is this now

3497
02:16:16,709 --> 02:16:13,599
is this travel

3498
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:16,719
or is this interdimensional is this you

3499
02:16:22,069 --> 02:16:19,840
know a parallel world multiverse

3500
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:22,079
thing that is happening where there

3501
02:16:24,229 --> 02:16:23,119
isn't

3502
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:24,239
uh

3503
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:27,040
a physical entrance into our atmosphere

3504
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:30,639
that it is just appearing here

3505
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:32,399
it could be any of those without knowing

3506
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:33,760
what i mean and here's the other thing

3507
02:16:37,669 --> 02:16:35,599
it could be multiple of those two

3508
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:37,679
because just because it turns out one of

3509
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:39,920
these objects is they say

3510
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:41,840
99 examples of something being right

3511
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:44,080
doesn't mean 100 is also right too and

3512
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:46,479
99 false sightings doesn't mean example

3513
02:16:50,150 --> 02:16:48,319
100 is false either that's a mistake

3514
02:16:51,429 --> 02:16:50,160
folks make same as would say well a

3515
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:51,439
hundred people said they saw it so the

3516
02:16:55,270 --> 02:16:53,280
next person knew it must be real that's

3517
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:55,280
the wrong thinking so we're saying the

3518
02:16:58,469 --> 02:16:57,599
last 99 were disproven so this one is

3519
02:17:00,070 --> 02:16:58,479
wrong

3520
02:17:02,629 --> 02:17:00,080
every individual signing every

3521
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:02,639
individual case is on its own merits and

3522
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:03,840
nothing else

3523
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:05,599
and that also has been kept in mind

3524
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:07,200
because they could all be completely

3525
02:17:11,349 --> 02:17:09,200
different phenomena one of them might be

3526
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:11,359
alien ambassadors from cirrus a couple

3527
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:13,439
light years away or you know years away

3528
02:17:16,790 --> 02:17:15,280
excuse me and the other could be from an

3529
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,800
alternate dimension

3530
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:18,319
you know if the universe is huge and

3531
02:17:21,830 --> 02:17:20,559
full of intelligent alien life it's not

3532
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:21,840
like only one of them is going to come

3533
02:17:25,589 --> 02:17:22,880
visit us

3534
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,599
it would be a it would say well they all

3535
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:27,599
we'll space kansas no one cares about us

3536
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:30,479
kansas gets billions of visitors a year

3537
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:33,120
well right so it wouldn't be

3538
02:17:37,589 --> 02:17:35,599
uh an example of that i mean it would be

3539
02:17:38,790 --> 02:17:37,599
thousands of civilizations it wouldn't

3540
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:38,800
be one

3541
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:42,800
um and is that an example of

3542
02:17:47,990 --> 02:17:45,760
how many different types of craft and

3543
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:48,000
sightings there have been right we

3544
02:17:53,110 --> 02:17:50,800
haven't seen a lot of repeated

3545
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:53,120
right a lot yeah a lot of this except

3546
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:54,479
for the tic tac

3547
02:17:58,950 --> 02:17:57,439
but um the uh

3548
02:18:02,790 --> 02:17:58,960
uh et

3549
02:18:05,830 --> 02:18:02,800
from zeta reticuli and et from andromeda

3550
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:05,840
would not be driving the same ford focus

3551
02:18:09,830 --> 02:18:07,840
right well right let's consider an

3552
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:09,840
option here um one of the reasons why

3553
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:11,200
you would have visitors who hung around

3554
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:13,120
would be if there was somebody else in

3555
02:18:15,750 --> 02:18:14,479
our local area whether it's

3556
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:15,760
interdimensional or local whether you

3557
02:18:20,070 --> 02:18:18,000
know the galaxy whatever that's the the

3558
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:20,080
big dog and says we don't want you

3559
02:18:24,309 --> 02:18:21,920
coming to that planet

3560
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:24,319
now just because someone says like the

3561
02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:26,080
park service we don't want you going

3562
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:27,760
that cave doesn't mean nobody ever gets

3563
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:30,240
there but it means not very many do and

3564
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:32,080
nobody's making pointless repeat trips

3565
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,040
because

3566
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:35,280
there might be some very bad results

3567
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:37,439
from getting caught as a war and that

3568
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:39,040
also means the folks doing it all likely

3569
02:18:42,150 --> 02:18:40,800
we do not shoestring budget et cetera et

3570
02:18:43,669 --> 02:18:42,160
cetera so they maybe don't have the best

3571
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:43,679
spaceships when it comes to stealth

3572
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:45,200
right those are examples of how

3573
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:46,639
something like that could be realistic

3574
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:47,599
the other thing is there's not a lot of

3575
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:49,760
motivation for a repeat visit how many

3576
02:18:53,830 --> 02:18:51,120
times do you go the exact same

3577
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:53,840
historical site right you know right so

3578
02:18:56,309 --> 02:18:54,719
it's kind of like well it's your what

3579
02:18:57,589 --> 02:18:56,319
yeah we all use the same call as it

3580
02:18:59,110 --> 02:18:57,599
turns out but the license plates all

3581
02:19:01,110 --> 02:18:59,120
look different if all i can see is the

3582
02:19:02,389 --> 02:19:01,120
license plates that are visiting my area

3583
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:02,399
i'm not gonna see all that much repeat

3584
02:19:06,150 --> 02:19:03,519
traffic

3585
02:19:11,030 --> 02:19:06,160
and that would make a lot of sense and

3586
02:19:16,469 --> 02:19:12,309
anger

3587
02:19:18,870 --> 02:19:16,479
violent civilizations if you know

3588
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:18,880
those must be out there in the universe

3589
02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:22,240
as well but we haven't seen

3590
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:24,559
an alien invasion

3591
02:19:28,469 --> 02:19:25,840
um

3592
02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:28,479
why do you think that is if if a

3593
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:30,240
civilization

3594
02:19:35,190 --> 02:19:31,840
is advanced

3595
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:35,200
have they moved on from a warring

3596
02:19:38,549 --> 02:19:36,960
faction

3597
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:38,559
that's kind of the sagan perspective

3598
02:19:40,870 --> 02:19:39,599
that that everybody gets a little bit

3599
02:19:42,230 --> 02:19:40,880
more peaceful but i've always felt that

3600
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:42,240
was a little bit

3601
02:19:46,790 --> 02:19:44,559
a little bit too much hugs and kisses

3602
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:46,800
humans are the nicest species on the

3603
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:48,960
planet uh we really are of the nicest

3604
02:19:53,190 --> 02:19:51,280
ones out there we also are the species

3605
02:19:55,270 --> 02:19:53,200
that cause the top of like a billion

3606
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:55,280
year deep pile of corpses to get to

3607
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:57,200
where we're at now and we're not that

3608
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:59,200
nice i really don't think any aliens are

3609
02:20:02,870 --> 02:20:00,720
gonna come across could be wimps they

3610
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:02,880
might be very friendly and benevolent

3611
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:04,160
but they're not going to be wimps and

3612
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:05,600
they're probably not the nicest people

3613
02:20:08,710 --> 02:20:06,720
in the world if they don't like to fight

3614
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:08,720
they probably are very good at it on the

3615
02:20:12,309 --> 02:20:10,800
flip side we often do these analysis of

3616
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:12,319
what would an alien have to do or what

3617
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:14,399
would an ai have to do and they almost

3618
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:16,319
always set up them versus our scenario

3619
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:18,080
where it's just them and us

3620
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:20,720
keep in mind if the galaxy is full of

3621
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:22,479
life so that one could invade us it

3622
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:24,240
means there's a lot of them out there

3623
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:26,000
and you never know if you're an alien if

3624
02:20:29,750 --> 02:20:27,520
you really were the first if you're the

3625
02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:29,760
biggest dog and one thing you do know is

3626
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:31,040
there's a good chance of someone who's

3627
02:20:34,389 --> 02:20:32,800
older out there there's a good chance

3628
02:20:35,670 --> 02:20:34,399
that they are more powerful than you

3629
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:35,680
everything you do in space is going to

3630
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:37,359
be seen and recorded

3631
02:20:41,590 --> 02:20:39,280
and if they don't like what you're doing

3632
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,600
that they presumably don't because they

3633
02:20:46,150 --> 02:20:43,520
didn't do it themselves they might do

3634
02:20:48,309 --> 02:20:46,160
something to you same as we have now

3635
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:48,319
it's not because the situation is never

3636
02:20:52,150 --> 02:20:50,240
this empire versus this empire and

3637
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:52,160
nobody else there's all those other

3638
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:54,000
people on the side and there's all those

3639
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,600
other people internally usually your

3640
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:57,359
biggest enemy isn't your neighbor it's

3641
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:59,120
the guys and the other factions of your

3642
02:21:01,990 --> 02:21:00,960
own government or locality

3643
02:21:03,429 --> 02:21:02,000
so that's the kind of thing they can

3644
02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:03,439
prevent that's one of the reasons why we

3645
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:05,280
don't go around stopping all over people

3646
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:06,880
traditionally they're typing out of too

3647
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:08,640
much benevolence it's been out of

3648
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:10,880
preoccupation with other matters often

3649
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:13,120
internal rivals nearby neighbors and the

3650
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:14,080
fear that everyone's going to jump on

3651
02:21:17,590 --> 02:21:16,080
you if you don't act nice that's

3652
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:17,600
probably the same play in the galaxy if

3653
02:21:22,070 --> 02:21:19,359
that if there's anyone out there or

3654
02:21:24,550 --> 02:21:22,080
players well and uh you know stephen

3655
02:21:26,950 --> 02:21:24,560
hawking certainly

3656
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:26,960
uh was against us you know

3657
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:29,600
flashing a flashlight and and saying you

3658
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,520
know we're here

3659
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:33,600
you just don't want to do that you don't

3660
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:34,399
know

3661
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:37,359
who you are speaking to and revealing

3662
02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:39,120
yourself to

3663
02:21:42,309 --> 02:21:40,720
yeah i tend to agree with that more in

3664
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:42,319
the context of they they're going to

3665
02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:43,600
know we're here

3666
02:21:48,309 --> 02:21:45,920
because plants have bio essentials you

3667
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:48,319
know and your first radio waves out also

3668
02:21:51,830 --> 02:21:49,920
pretty loud they're like a million watts

3669
02:21:54,150 --> 02:21:51,840
we got weaker these days uh we don't

3670
02:21:56,389 --> 02:21:54,160
need to broadcast as strongly be heard

3671
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:56,399
um and you could see plants you could

3672
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:57,600
see them for billions of years in

3673
02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:59,439
advance you know there are telescopes

3674
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,120
you build those bigger than planets of

3675
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:03,359
your big civilization they can see

3676
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:04,399
planets

3677
02:22:07,349 --> 02:22:06,000
but you don't necessarily want to be

3678
02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:07,359
shouting out there because well we know

3679
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:08,800
the the local rule might be when

3680
02:22:12,550 --> 02:22:10,800
somebody says hey is anybody out there

3681
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:12,560
please come by it's like a vampire

3682
02:22:15,429 --> 02:22:13,680
someone knocks like they don't let you

3683
02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:15,439
in you know

3684
02:22:19,270 --> 02:22:16,800
we don't necessarily want to be shouting

3685
02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:19,280
at our presence but to be honest i don't

3686
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:20,399
think it's anything we have to worry

3687
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:22,399
about too much because you would only

3688
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:25,040
really apply if the activa shouting

3689
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:26,399
specifically

3690
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:28,240
opened the floodgate because it's not

3691
02:22:32,710 --> 02:22:30,160
gonna be the way they find out about us

3692
02:22:34,710 --> 02:22:32,720
they're already gonna know we're here

3693
02:22:35,510 --> 02:22:34,720
do you think that uh

3694
02:22:40,870 --> 02:22:35,520
the

3695
02:22:42,070 --> 02:22:40,880
of defense

3696
02:22:44,309 --> 02:22:42,080
suddenly

3697
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:44,319
talking openly

3698
02:22:49,030 --> 02:22:48,080
about uh et and uaps

3699
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:49,040
is

3700
02:22:55,830 --> 02:22:53,760
to get out in front of

3701
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:55,840
something that is not in their control

3702
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:58,080
and and that is you know we're being

3703
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:00,399
contacted right now

3704
02:23:05,590 --> 02:23:02,720
do you think that that is is

3705
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:05,600
is going on if it is it would be kind of

3706
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:08,080
sloppy um i you know i

3707
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:09,760
i'm ex military i have a lot of friends

3708
02:23:12,790 --> 02:23:11,600
who are in the army which i was in the

3709
02:23:14,790 --> 02:23:12,800
air force i mean i used to work at

3710
02:23:16,550 --> 02:23:14,800
wright patterson i i've done you know

3711
02:23:17,510 --> 02:23:16,560
lecturers the air force academy i'd

3712
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:17,520
actually be a little bit possibly

3713
02:23:21,190 --> 02:23:18,800
offended if they had this sequin they

3714
02:23:22,550 --> 02:23:21,200
weren't telling me but that aside

3715
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:22,560
um

3716
02:23:25,429 --> 02:23:24,160
i i don't really trust our ability to

3717
02:23:27,990 --> 02:23:25,439
keep secrets like this not as a

3718
02:23:29,590 --> 02:23:28,000
community you know i'm sure they're all

3719
02:23:30,630 --> 02:23:29,600
some very tightly kept good secrets but

3720
02:23:33,030 --> 02:23:30,640
they usually boring things like

3721
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,040
individual data packets nothing that big

3722
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:35,760
people talk soldiers talk um i mean you

3723
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:37,120
could barely keep anyone's mouth shut

3724
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:38,960
really got back from a mission you know

3725
02:23:42,230 --> 02:23:40,240
and so i just don't think they'd be able

3726
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:42,240
to keep that secret very long on the

3727
02:23:45,190 --> 02:23:43,920
other hand if they had something they

3728
02:23:46,550 --> 02:23:45,200
thought was definitely gonna let it out

3729
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:46,560
of the bag and they have been keeping

3730
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:48,720
quiet yeah it makes sense to get ahead

3731
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:50,399
of it for a while but

3732
02:23:53,590 --> 02:23:52,000
i don't think that they would because

3733
02:23:55,270 --> 02:23:53,600
again there's so many other governments

3734
02:23:56,630 --> 02:23:55,280
and they had their own spy agencies and

3735
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:56,640
they have so much to benefit from

3736
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:58,080
basically flicking us the finger and

3737
02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:00,880
exposing us i mean i can't imagine china

3738
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:02,560
russia wouldn't know

3739
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:04,960
if we had found out about alien life

3740
02:24:09,190 --> 02:24:06,880
and i can't imagine they wouldn't find

3741
02:24:11,190 --> 02:24:09,200
the best possible time to embarrass us

3742
02:24:13,349 --> 02:24:11,200
or trust the government by putting that

3743
02:24:15,030 --> 02:24:13,359
out there and so that from that cyclical

3744
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:15,040
perspective i just don't think we'd be

3745
02:24:17,590 --> 02:24:16,560
doing it this way but

3746
02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:17,600
i mean

3747
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:19,439
if they found out or they thought it was

3748
02:24:22,710 --> 02:24:21,040
very likely even if it was it could be

3749
02:24:24,710 --> 02:24:22,720
something like they thought

3750
02:24:26,070 --> 02:24:24,720
that the newest level of telescopes were

3751
02:24:28,309 --> 02:24:26,080
picking up data that would be definitely

3752
02:24:29,110 --> 02:24:28,319
showing biosensors i could see them say

3753
02:24:30,630 --> 02:24:29,120
well

3754
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:30,640
you know we want to start softballing

3755
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:31,920
these people in advance so it's less of

3756
02:24:35,670 --> 02:24:33,520
a shock

3757
02:24:37,190 --> 02:24:35,680
you know that's that's that's fairly

3758
02:24:38,710 --> 02:24:37,200
speculative at least

3759
02:24:42,950 --> 02:24:38,720
in uh

3760
02:24:44,230 --> 02:24:42,960
in an article uh last year um about a

3761
02:24:45,429 --> 02:24:44,240
year and a half ago in the new york

3762
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:45,439
times

3763
02:24:50,790 --> 02:24:49,200
um about this subject uh leslie kane and

3764
02:24:54,070 --> 02:24:50,800
ralph blumenthal

3765
02:24:58,150 --> 02:24:54,080
uh buried in this article uh down at the

3766
02:25:02,389 --> 02:24:58,160
bottom was this quote attributed to dr

3767
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:02,399
eric davis and he says

3768
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:04,160
that he

3769
02:25:07,190 --> 02:25:05,280
briefed

3770
02:25:10,630 --> 02:25:07,200
the senate

3771
02:25:13,030 --> 02:25:10,640
and told them that we have

3772
02:25:14,389 --> 02:25:13,040
crashed craft

3773
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:14,399
not made

3774
02:25:18,630 --> 02:25:16,319
on this earth

3775
02:25:19,990 --> 02:25:18,640
that we are in possession of them

3776
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:20,000
now

3777
02:25:23,429 --> 02:25:21,439
that's like the biggest news in the

3778
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:23,439
history of the world

3779
02:25:28,070 --> 02:25:24,560
right

3780
02:25:29,030 --> 02:25:28,080
and and with dr eric davis this this

3781
02:25:31,510 --> 02:25:29,040
quote

3782
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:31,520
would had to have been vetted by the new

3783
02:25:34,389 --> 02:25:33,120
york times they're not going to put it

3784
02:25:38,469 --> 02:25:34,399
in print

3785
02:25:40,870 --> 02:25:38,479
um unless there was uh

3786
02:25:43,349 --> 02:25:40,880
uh you know some basis to it

3787
02:25:44,710 --> 02:25:43,359
what do you make of dr davis saying this

3788
02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:44,720
to the senate

3789
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:46,479
i was going to say i don't always think

3790
02:25:51,429 --> 02:25:48,080
of the new york times is really all that

3791
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:51,439
good about vetting their information

3792
02:25:55,910 --> 02:25:53,040
if he says he says in the senate i mean

3793
02:25:57,670 --> 02:25:55,920
there's if it was on record i'm probably

3794
02:25:59,349 --> 02:25:57,680
a crap for saying about the nyt but if

3795
02:26:01,429 --> 02:25:59,359
it was on record with the senate uh that

3796
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:01,439
it should be uh uh you know something

3797
02:26:05,349 --> 02:26:03,200
you could foyer request for and find the

3798
02:26:07,270 --> 02:26:05,359
actual testimony of that there if it was

3799
02:26:09,429 --> 02:26:07,280
just some select subpanel that's under

3800
02:26:10,790 --> 02:26:09,439
secret go then i i guess not but i think

3801
02:26:11,990 --> 02:26:10,800
they'd put him in jail for breaking his

3802
02:26:13,510 --> 02:26:12,000
nda

3803
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:13,520
but uh although that wouldn't really

3804
02:26:17,750 --> 02:26:15,600
achieve much um

3805
02:26:18,950 --> 02:26:17,760
but uh i mean if they checked that and

3806
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:18,960
they ran it

3807
02:26:21,750 --> 02:26:20,640
yes but then they should have said that

3808
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:21,760
they checked that and found that the

3809
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:23,920
transcript they might just see that he

3810
02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:25,520
had at some point time testified the

3811
02:26:30,309 --> 02:26:27,520
senate and not know what he said i don't

3812
02:26:31,830 --> 02:26:30,319
know i can't speak to what the nyt's

3813
02:26:34,790 --> 02:26:31,840
vetting process is

3814
02:26:37,910 --> 02:26:34,800
yeah i spoke to ralph blumenthal uh on

3815
02:26:41,190 --> 02:26:37,920
this program uh about that quote

3816
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:41,200
and he said uh

3817
02:26:45,190 --> 02:26:43,200
the editors at the new york times did

3818
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:45,200
their due diligence

3819
02:26:50,230 --> 02:26:48,399
uh to confirm that quote and also

3820
02:26:52,389 --> 02:26:50,240
uh and to vet it and that they didn't

3821
02:26:54,230 --> 02:26:52,399
put it at the top of the article

3822
02:26:57,670 --> 02:26:54,240
because then the article would have had

3823
02:26:59,750 --> 02:26:57,680
to have been about that quote and that's

3824
02:27:01,910 --> 02:26:59,760
why they put it at at the bottom of the

3825
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:01,920
article and that that that was from

3826
02:27:07,750 --> 02:27:04,800
ralph blumenthal directly uh on this

3827
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:07,760
program now uh one last thing uh uh and

3828
02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:09,760
i want to thank you a great conversation

3829
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:12,000
tonight but always glad to be on yeah

3830
02:27:17,429 --> 02:27:14,800
it's just amazing i i enjoy it every

3831
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:17,439
single time is this we talked about uh

3832
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:20,399
rendezvous with rama earlier and i think

3833
02:27:25,270 --> 02:27:22,800
also about the movie contact

3834
02:27:29,190 --> 02:27:25,280
is it possible

3835
02:27:32,309 --> 02:27:29,200
that we are observing something

3836
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:32,319
uh that is approaching our solar system

3837
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:34,479
and and won't be here for a couple of

3838
02:27:37,750 --> 02:27:35,520
years

3839
02:27:42,150 --> 02:27:37,760
but this is an opportunity to get the

3840
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:43,990
it's always on the possible radar all

3841
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:45,920
these things but i would just think that

3842
02:27:49,349 --> 02:27:47,280
we'd read a photograph from our own

3843
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:49,359
observatories you know those are the

3844
02:27:52,630 --> 02:27:51,200
biggest best telescopes we have had

3845
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:52,640
their data go directly through a lot of

3846
02:27:55,830 --> 02:27:54,080
open source things where it's easily

3847
02:27:58,309 --> 02:27:55,840
available to people who aren't

3848
02:28:00,070 --> 02:27:58,319
government officials or military if it

3849
02:28:00,870 --> 02:28:00,080
is it's a good approach but i'd still

3850
02:28:02,790 --> 02:28:00,880
say

3851
02:28:04,230 --> 02:28:02,800
i it just depends on the who i was

3852
02:28:05,750 --> 02:28:04,240
running the administration so they would

3853
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,760
say well you do it suddenly others might

3854
02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:07,439
say the best honest thing to do is just

3855
02:28:10,950 --> 02:28:09,680
tell people on day one but i think you

3856
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:10,960
have to tell other governments weren't

3857
02:28:13,910 --> 02:28:12,560
you if there was something coming you

3858
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:13,920
you wanted the other governments to at

3859
02:28:17,349 --> 02:28:15,840
least the big ones because you're gonna

3860
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:17,359
need they are their involvement in this

3861
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:19,920
at some point and i mean that they might

3862
02:28:22,950 --> 02:28:21,920
be better keeping secrets than us but

3863
02:28:24,469 --> 02:28:22,960
you think at least one that would have

3864
02:28:26,309 --> 02:28:24,479
leaked all over the place

3865
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:26,319
if if something was approaching our

3866
02:28:31,670 --> 02:28:28,560
solar system uh

3867
02:28:34,790 --> 02:28:31,680
you know at nearly the speed of light

3868
02:28:36,389 --> 02:28:34,800
and it was some large physical craft

3869
02:28:37,830 --> 02:28:36,399
how long

3870
02:28:39,670 --> 02:28:37,840
would it take

3871
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:39,680
to slow down

3872
02:28:42,309 --> 02:28:40,479
right

3873
02:28:44,070 --> 02:28:42,319
it can't just well

3874
02:28:45,429 --> 02:28:44,080
it just can't cruise into our solar

3875
02:28:46,710 --> 02:28:45,439
system at the speed of light and then

3876
02:28:48,790 --> 02:28:46,720
pump the brakes

3877
02:28:50,150 --> 02:28:48,800
i was about to say if it's doing 1g it

3878
02:28:52,630 --> 02:28:50,160
takes about a year to slow down from

3879
02:28:54,070 --> 02:28:52,640
light speed at 1g which is what we would

3880
02:28:56,389 --> 02:28:54,080
want on board but if we're talking about

3881
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:56,399
a spaceship that can do say 5000g like

3882
02:28:59,910 --> 02:28:57,920
we think the tic tac might have in the

3883
02:29:02,870 --> 02:28:59,920
more extreme models for that then cut

3884
02:29:04,870 --> 02:29:02,880
that time in down by one five thousandth

3885
02:29:07,270 --> 02:29:04,880
which would be um

3886
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:07,280
oh jason sorry that would be about uh

3887
02:29:11,910 --> 02:29:09,680
about an hour two hours

3888
02:29:12,710 --> 02:29:11,920
it's about an hour or two

3889
02:29:15,510 --> 02:29:12,720
no

3890
02:29:16,870 --> 02:29:15,520
really if it's i mean again please don't

3891
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:16,880
quote me on that exact number but it

3892
02:29:25,429 --> 02:29:18,800
should be about a year divided by five

3893
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:28,230
so funny i got to watch isaac do math uh

3894
02:29:32,870 --> 02:29:30,240
in his head and that was pretty

3895
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:32,880
interesting to have you pull that off i

3896
02:29:36,389 --> 02:29:34,479
wouldn't have done it isaac thank you so

3897
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:36,399
much um uh

3898
02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:39,120
how you you're you're putting out a new

3899
02:29:43,190 --> 02:29:41,120
episode per week right

3900
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:43,200
yeah yeah and an extra one sci-fi

3901
02:29:48,150 --> 02:29:45,760
sundays that we do once a month that uh

3902
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:48,160
just tries to focus on the stuff that's

3903
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:50,000
we see more in sci-fi what its physical

3904
02:29:54,230 --> 02:29:51,920
basis might be if the science permitted

3905
02:29:55,510 --> 02:29:54,240
it and and what what did you cover this

3906
02:29:57,270 --> 02:29:55,520
week

3907
02:29:59,590 --> 02:29:57,280
uh this well tomorrow we have an episode

3908
02:30:00,950 --> 02:29:59,600
coming out actually about about eight

3909
02:30:04,389 --> 02:30:00,960
hours that's gonna be on the future of

3910
02:30:05,990 --> 02:30:04,399
farming uh the week before that wow i i

3911
02:30:07,670 --> 02:30:06,000
can't believe i've gotten this already

3912
02:30:09,670 --> 02:30:07,680
we looked at the option of a future

3913
02:30:11,590 --> 02:30:09,680
without money and then we did oh

3914
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:11,600
standing on a civilization of trillions

3915
02:30:14,230 --> 02:30:12,720
what would it be like if you actually

3916
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:14,240
lived in one of these giant galactic

3917
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:16,240
empires and you just didn't want to be

3918
02:30:20,870 --> 02:30:18,880
one little cog in the giant machine

3919
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:20,880
you're the best isaac thank you so much

3920
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:22,080
my friend

3921
02:30:26,070 --> 02:30:24,479
and uh i can't wait till uh we have our

3922
02:30:27,510 --> 02:30:26,080
next conversation thank you so much

3923
02:30:29,429 --> 02:30:27,520
anytime jimmy thank you so much for

3924
02:30:32,349 --> 02:30:29,439
having me on you're the best isaac

3925
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:32,359
arthur and it's all simple it's

3926
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:34,240
isaacarthur.net the links are over at

3927
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:35,840
jimmychurchradio.com

3928
02:30:40,469 --> 02:30:38,160
science and futurism with isaac arthur

3929
02:30:43,510 --> 02:30:40,479
right there on youtube

3930
02:30:46,150 --> 02:30:43,520
and now you know officially where i get

3931
02:30:47,670 --> 02:30:46,160
my best stuff thank you so much arthur

3932
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:47,680
enjoy the rest of your night my friend

3933
02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:48,720
thank you

3934
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:50,000
you too

3935
02:30:53,110 --> 02:30:51,600
isaac arthur i'm your host jimmy church

3936
02:30:57,050 --> 02:30:53,120
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4000
02:34:56,710 --> 02:34:54,479
i want to thank isaac arthur for coming

4001
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:56,720
in tonight and you know the physics of a

4002
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:58,640
tic tac one of the most

4003
02:35:01,830 --> 02:34:59,439
uh

4004
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:01,840
yeah it's like this polarizing subject

4005
02:35:08,309 --> 02:35:06,000
and and i get it i i understand why

4006
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:08,319
uh so many reasons anyway

4007
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:11,520
i've opened up the phone lines

4008
02:35:22,230 --> 02:35:20,230
so much to unpack in in that

4009
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:22,240
conversation and

4010
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:23,600
um

4011
02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:25,439
this is uh

4012
02:35:30,469 --> 02:35:27,760
this is what i enjoy about isaac

4013
02:35:32,150 --> 02:35:30,479
he has and once you go to science and

4014
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:32,160
futurism uh

4015
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:34,080
with isaac arthur go to his youtube

4016
02:35:38,389 --> 02:35:35,120
channel

4017
02:35:41,190 --> 02:35:38,399
and and start poking through and if

4018
02:35:43,429 --> 02:35:41,200
it's years of stuff that is there

4019
02:35:47,830 --> 02:35:43,439
but uh go and check it out

4020
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:47,840
he presents some of the most compelling

4021
02:35:53,030 --> 02:35:50,240
theories and ideas

4022
02:35:55,030 --> 02:35:53,040
about extraterrestrial civilizations

4023
02:35:55,910 --> 02:35:55,040
their technology how they would get it

4024
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:55,920
done

4025
02:35:59,830 --> 02:35:56,880
in

4026
02:36:03,030 --> 02:35:59,840
so many it is so wide

4027
02:36:05,110 --> 02:36:03,040
and he lays it all out there

4028
02:36:08,150 --> 02:36:05,120
from the

4029
02:36:09,750 --> 02:36:08,160
the mindset of him

4030
02:36:11,990 --> 02:36:09,760
being a skeptic

4031
02:36:14,870 --> 02:36:12,000
and not a skeptic

4032
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:14,880
hardcore because he's got an open mind

4033
02:36:20,070 --> 02:36:16,399
and you

4034
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,080
you cannot uh present like he has done

4035
02:36:24,230 --> 02:36:22,399
over the years some of the greatest

4036
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:24,240
research into

4037
02:36:29,910 --> 02:36:26,960
et and and their technology

4038
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:29,920
um he's got the openness the op most

4039
02:36:33,429 --> 02:36:32,560
opened of open minds out there

4040
02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:33,439
and

4041
02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:37,120
tonight on the show

4042
02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:38,000
when

4043
02:36:43,990 --> 02:36:40,800
uh we're discussing the physics of the

4044
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:44,000
tic tac and i can present every single

4045
02:36:51,190 --> 02:36:46,800
angle to him and he's going to break it

4046
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,200
down and and and i totally appreciate

4047
02:36:54,070 --> 02:36:53,280
uh the way that he has approached all of

4048
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:54,080
this

4049
02:36:58,389 --> 02:36:55,359
and then

4050
02:37:00,469 --> 02:36:58,399
once you go through the physics of the

4051
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:00,479
tic tac part of it

4052
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:04,160
um from a scientific mind like isaac

4053
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:06,240
what are we left with

4054
02:37:08,469 --> 02:37:07,359
well

4055
02:37:13,270 --> 02:37:08,479
it's

4056
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:13,280
mean that's the other

4057
02:37:18,630 --> 02:37:15,280
option that is on the table

4058
02:37:22,389 --> 02:37:18,640
and for him to then present

4059
02:37:24,710 --> 02:37:22,399
all of the angles of why it could be e t

4060
02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:24,720
and e t is here

4061
02:37:28,550 --> 02:37:26,560
that's one of the best things that we

4062
02:37:30,150 --> 02:37:28,560
could have on this show

4063
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:30,160
he's laid it out

4064
02:37:35,349 --> 02:37:32,560
and although he doesn't necessarily

4065
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:35,359
believe that it's e.t what else could it

4066
02:37:37,190 --> 02:37:36,479
be

4067
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:37,200
the

4068
02:37:41,750 --> 02:37:38,479
um

4069
02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:41,760
the points that he made tonight

4070
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:44,399
could it be russian could it be chinese

4071
02:37:47,510 --> 02:37:46,399
and them having this technology

4072
02:37:50,230 --> 02:37:47,520
out in front of

4073
02:37:51,429 --> 02:37:50,240
one of the points that he made

4074
02:37:53,990 --> 02:37:51,439
which

4075
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:54,000
wasn't discussed by the uap task force

4076
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:56,880
that hasn't been mentioned by anybody on

4077
02:38:02,070 --> 02:37:58,800
the internet or any of the other

4078
02:38:04,790 --> 02:38:02,080
supporters of of of of this and the tic

4079
02:38:06,870 --> 02:38:04,800
tac he said this if you are in

4080
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:06,880
possession if you're russia

4081
02:38:12,070 --> 02:38:08,160
and you're in possession of this

4082
02:38:13,990 --> 02:38:12,080
technology that's a waste

4083
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:14,000
what you would be doing with that

4084
02:38:18,870 --> 02:38:15,359
technology

4085
02:38:22,710 --> 02:38:18,880
is is uh free energy inside of your

4086
02:38:25,750 --> 02:38:22,720
country to to have factories to produce

4087
02:38:29,910 --> 02:38:25,760
food to have energy and to make you the

4088
02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:29,920
most powerful country on earth

4089
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:31,120
that's what you would do with the

4090
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:33,120
technology and we would know it you

4091
02:38:37,670 --> 02:38:35,680
wouldn't be able to hide it

4092
02:38:39,910 --> 02:38:37,680
well that would apply to china right

4093
02:38:43,270 --> 02:38:39,920
well that would also apply

4094
02:38:46,150 --> 02:38:43,280
to the united states

4095
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:46,160
which again swings all of this in the

4096
02:38:50,230 --> 02:38:47,680
other direction

4097
02:38:53,910 --> 02:38:50,240
it's probably not from here

4098
02:38:55,750 --> 02:38:53,920
if we take everything in its totality

4099
02:38:56,870 --> 02:38:55,760
that's eyewitness testimony that's the

4100
02:39:00,469 --> 02:38:56,880
radar

4101
02:39:02,230 --> 02:39:00,479
and and that is the physics of what is

4102
02:39:03,110 --> 02:39:02,240
involved here

4103
02:39:07,190 --> 02:39:03,120
um

4104
02:39:09,349 --> 02:39:07,200
uh us having anti-gravity technology

4105
02:39:11,190 --> 02:39:09,359
uh inside of the united states that is

4106
02:39:13,590 --> 02:39:11,200
backwards engineered all of it's a

4107
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:13,600
possibility and he agrees with that

4108
02:39:18,309 --> 02:39:15,680
but we would certainly see evidence

4109
02:39:20,710 --> 02:39:18,319
outside of the military with this

4110
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:20,720
technology and that's it because that

4111
02:39:26,230 --> 02:39:24,160
would indeed absolutely make us the most

4112
02:39:27,270 --> 02:39:26,240
powerful country in the world

4113
02:39:29,190 --> 02:39:27,280
that's it

4114
02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:29,200
that is it

4115
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:31,120
it's pretty interesting isn't it

4116
02:39:35,670 --> 02:39:33,200
you gotta look at it from those terms

4117
02:39:40,190 --> 02:39:35,680
that's why we have isaac arthur on this

4118
02:39:43,750 --> 02:39:42,550
747-228-2051 let's go to the phones hi

4119
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:43,760
you're live on fade to black who's

4120
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:50,389
you're live

4121
02:39:56,790 --> 02:39:55,359
gonna do this

4122
02:39:58,230 --> 02:39:56,800
three

4123
02:40:02,790 --> 02:39:58,240
two

4124
02:40:08,150 --> 02:40:05,590
i can hear you

4125
02:40:13,670 --> 02:40:08,160
all right i'm going to put you on hold

4126
02:40:17,269 --> 02:40:14,470
oh

4127
02:40:20,070 --> 02:40:17,279
[Laughter]

4128
02:40:27,030 --> 02:40:20,080
best show ever exclamation point thank

4129
02:40:31,269 --> 02:40:29,830
okay let's go back to the phones

4130
02:40:35,910 --> 02:40:31,279
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4131
02:40:39,110 --> 02:40:37,349
you're live

4132
02:40:41,590 --> 02:40:39,120
oh man don't tell me i got problems with

4133
02:40:43,990 --> 02:40:41,600
the phones

4134
02:40:48,230 --> 02:40:44,000
oh man okay

4135
02:40:51,910 --> 02:40:48,240
oh please please don't tell me i've got

4136
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:53,910
okay

4137
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:55,359
and

4138
02:40:59,670 --> 02:40:56,960
i'll just sign off for the show right

4139
02:41:03,670 --> 02:41:01,349
i'm not going to do this

4140
02:41:06,309 --> 02:41:03,680
uh for the next 20 minutes live on the

4141
02:41:09,190 --> 02:41:06,319
air i'll just wind this thing down right

4142
02:41:11,269 --> 02:41:09,200
now we've got fader night tomorrow night

4143
02:41:12,550 --> 02:41:11,279
and uh we can just go to open lines

4144
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:12,560
tomorrow night

4145
02:41:18,389 --> 02:41:16,479
um i'm gonna do one more crack at this

4146
02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:18,399
seven four seven two two eight two zero

4147
02:41:23,269 --> 02:41:21,279
five one one more crack and let's see

4148
02:41:24,550 --> 02:41:23,279
but if i've got issues

4149
02:41:26,790 --> 02:41:24,560
with uh

4150
02:41:29,830 --> 02:41:26,800
now i don't see anything going wrong

4151
02:41:31,990 --> 02:41:29,840
um okay so uh unfocus out out of the

4152
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:32,000
phones it doesn't matter we'll we'll

4153
02:41:35,510 --> 02:41:34,399
check it out in a second but going back

4154
02:41:36,389 --> 02:41:35,520
to

4155
02:41:39,429 --> 02:41:36,399
uh

4156
02:41:43,429 --> 02:41:39,439
some of the points here um

4157
02:41:47,910 --> 02:41:45,110
not only

4158
02:41:48,790 --> 02:41:47,920
is there a lot of life out there

4159
02:41:49,630 --> 02:41:48,800
but

4160
02:41:53,110 --> 02:41:49,640
the

4161
02:41:56,630 --> 02:41:53,120
non-repetitive nature sort of

4162
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:56,640
of what has been seen here

4163
02:41:59,910 --> 02:41:59,040
on on this planet

4164
02:42:00,790 --> 02:41:59,920
uh

4165
02:42:02,510 --> 02:42:00,800
of

4166
02:42:04,150 --> 02:42:02,520
you know sightings and things

4167
02:42:07,510 --> 02:42:04,160
non-repetitive

4168
02:42:10,630 --> 02:42:07,520
it's not like we are seeing the exact

4169
02:42:13,510 --> 02:42:10,640
same thing over and over again now

4170
02:42:16,469 --> 02:42:13,520
contact with intelligent life

4171
02:42:19,190 --> 02:42:16,479
right uh the grays and the nordics and

4172
02:42:21,750 --> 02:42:19,200
reptilians and mantids and things yeah

4173
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:21,760
that tends to repeat right okay i i get

4174
02:42:25,349 --> 02:42:23,200
that but i'm talking about the types of

4175
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:25,359
vehicles and how it's seen

4176
02:42:31,910 --> 02:42:30,319
that right back to uh isaac's point

4177
02:42:33,990 --> 02:42:31,920
there's got to be a lot of life out

4178
02:42:36,469 --> 02:42:34,000
there and if there is

4179
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:36,479
it's not just one civilization visiting

4180
02:42:42,309 --> 02:42:38,960
this planet it's thousands

4181
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:42,319
and would they do a repeat visit here

4182
02:42:45,349 --> 02:42:44,000
that's such a great point that isaac

4183
02:42:47,429 --> 02:42:45,359
brought up and i've said it the same

4184
02:42:50,150 --> 02:42:47,439
thing would you

4185
02:42:51,990 --> 02:42:50,160
come by and check it out and move on and

4186
02:42:55,269 --> 02:42:52,000
get to the next planet get to the next

4187
02:42:58,710 --> 02:42:55,279
star system and and check it out well

4188
02:43:04,150 --> 02:42:58,720
you would be doing that forever

4189
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:04,160
and that's what we would be doing

4190
02:43:09,510 --> 02:43:07,120
if we had the ability to go from planet

4191
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:09,520
to planet to planet are we going to stop

4192
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:12,080
at one planet and stay there for

4193
02:43:16,870 --> 02:43:13,840
for a hundred years

4194
02:43:19,110 --> 02:43:16,880
you know and and well it's possible but

4195
02:43:22,150 --> 02:43:19,120
we would also map it

4196
02:43:25,190 --> 02:43:22,160
lock it down record it and then move on

4197
02:43:27,110 --> 02:43:25,200
uh to the next planet and and check it

4198
02:43:29,750 --> 02:43:27,120
out uh for signs of life and what's

4199
02:43:31,830 --> 02:43:29,760
going on and and rinse and repeat and do

4200
02:43:33,590 --> 02:43:31,840
that over and over again that's what we

4201
02:43:36,070 --> 02:43:33,600
would do and i would think that e.t

4202
02:43:37,269 --> 02:43:36,080
would be doing the exact same thing

4203
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:37,279
let's go back to the phones hi you're

4204
02:43:42,070 --> 02:43:40,080
live on fade to black who's calling

4205
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:42,080
hey jamie it's uh chuckles from

4206
02:43:48,070 --> 02:43:45,520
pennsylvania man hey how are you chuck

4207
02:43:49,830 --> 02:43:48,080
i'm good um i i'm surprised i got

4208
02:43:50,870 --> 02:43:49,840
through so quickly but i just hadn't

4209
02:43:54,790 --> 02:43:50,880
thought

4210
02:43:58,150 --> 02:43:54,800
always had so anyway

4211
02:44:00,790 --> 02:43:58,160
um really always appreciate um isaac

4212
02:44:02,870 --> 02:44:00,800
being on the show and right towards the

4213
02:44:07,429 --> 02:44:02,880
end you were mentioning

4214
02:44:08,870 --> 02:44:07,439
how hopefully they've grid or or grown

4215
02:44:09,990 --> 02:44:08,880
past

4216
02:44:12,630 --> 02:44:10,000
being

4217
02:44:14,389 --> 02:44:12,640
i don't know violent or mean

4218
02:44:15,990 --> 02:44:14,399
and that's kind of how i've always

4219
02:44:18,230 --> 02:44:16,000
thought but

4220
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:18,240
you brought up a point that kind of

4221
02:44:21,990 --> 02:44:20,560
maybe answers that question

4222
02:44:23,190 --> 02:44:22,000
that i'll bounce off of you in the

4223
02:44:25,910 --> 02:44:23,200
faders

4224
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:25,920
we have so many sightings of so many

4225
02:44:31,030 --> 02:44:27,439
different crafts

4226
02:44:33,590 --> 02:44:31,040
i think you're in my ballpark where

4227
02:44:35,030 --> 02:44:33,600
these classes are coming from all kinds

4228
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:35,040
of different

4229
02:44:40,309 --> 02:44:37,760
places are we both maybe kind of on the

4230
02:44:41,429 --> 02:44:40,319
same page there yes

4231
02:44:42,469 --> 02:44:41,439
a hundred percent

4232
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:42,479
so

4233
02:44:49,870 --> 02:44:48,399
craft coming from all over the place

4234
02:44:52,790 --> 02:44:49,880
and they're not even shooting at

4235
02:44:55,510 --> 02:44:52,800
themselves in the sky

4236
02:44:57,030 --> 02:44:55,520
let alone us

4237
02:44:58,630 --> 02:44:57,040
um

4238
02:45:01,110 --> 02:44:58,640
i think we're okay

4239
02:45:02,630 --> 02:45:01,120
if we had a whole bunch of animals

4240
02:45:05,110 --> 02:45:02,640
together

4241
02:45:07,510 --> 02:45:05,120
here on earth unfortunately

4242
02:45:10,550 --> 02:45:07,520
the most dominant animal would start to

4243
02:45:13,990 --> 02:45:10,560
fight and then rule that's just what we

4244
02:45:16,469 --> 02:45:14,000
witnessed here well we're witnessing all

4245
02:45:18,469 --> 02:45:16,479
kinds of different kinds of crafts

4246
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:18,479
coming and going we don't even talk

4247
02:45:23,429 --> 02:45:21,600
about that because we've all

4248
02:45:25,750 --> 02:45:23,439
well we're all here listening to you

4249
02:45:27,349 --> 02:45:25,760
talking because we don't believe well

4250
02:45:30,950 --> 02:45:27,359
we're not seeing them shoot at one

4251
02:45:33,429 --> 02:45:30,960
another and they're not shooting at us

4252
02:45:35,510 --> 02:45:33,439
i just have just i just kind of had that

4253
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:35,520
feeling just kind of wanted to bounce it

4254
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:38,000
off you and the faders all uh hang up

4255
02:45:42,790 --> 02:45:40,640
and let you all chat about it yeah and

4256
02:45:45,110 --> 02:45:42,800
and thank you for that chuck um that's

4257
02:45:46,710 --> 02:45:45,120
actually a really really really really

4258
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:46,720
good point

4259
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:47,680
um

4260
02:45:51,030 --> 02:45:49,920
i have seen things in the sky

4261
02:45:53,750 --> 02:45:51,040
i have

4262
02:45:56,710 --> 02:45:53,760
have i seen anything with laser cannons

4263
02:46:00,630 --> 02:45:56,720
and and shooting at each other

4264
02:46:03,429 --> 02:46:00,640
or shooting uh you know at us i haven't

4265
02:46:05,670 --> 02:46:03,439
seen anything like that i've seen a

4266
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:05,680
couple of crazy videos over the years

4267
02:46:09,190 --> 02:46:08,240
that that show something fighting up

4268
02:46:11,510 --> 02:46:09,200
there

4269
02:46:13,990 --> 02:46:11,520
at at high altitudes it looks like some

4270
02:46:16,230 --> 02:46:14,000
dog fighting uh occurring that could be

4271
02:46:18,389 --> 02:46:16,240
us that could be our own satellites it

4272
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:18,399
could be russia against china it could

4273
02:46:21,910 --> 02:46:20,160
be russia against the united states and

4274
02:46:26,070 --> 02:46:21,920
we're up there shooting at each other

4275
02:46:27,670 --> 02:46:26,080
that's a total possibility um but uh

4276
02:46:30,070 --> 02:46:27,680
that being said i don't think there's

4277
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:30,080
been any clear evidence

4278
02:46:39,429 --> 02:46:31,439
of

4279
02:46:41,269 --> 02:46:39,439
back to the phone calls isaac said one

4280
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:41,279
thing a few years ago on the show we

4281
02:46:45,670 --> 02:46:43,200
didn't talk about it tonight but

4282
02:46:48,150 --> 02:46:45,680
but he said something very very

4283
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:48,160
interesting

4284
02:46:55,830 --> 02:46:52,560
if they wanted to have this planet

4285
02:46:57,190 --> 02:46:55,840
they wouldn't have a shootout

4286
02:46:58,790 --> 02:46:57,200
they could do

4287
02:47:00,630 --> 02:46:58,800
anything that they wanted that would

4288
02:47:02,790 --> 02:47:00,640
make things pretty simple

4289
02:47:05,349 --> 02:47:02,800
right a virus

4290
02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:05,359
just wipe us out in in in seconds the

4291
02:47:11,670 --> 02:47:08,640
entire planet before they got here we

4292
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:11,680
wouldn't even see them here

4293
02:47:15,510 --> 02:47:13,840
right uh there's that and then he said

4294
02:47:17,030 --> 02:47:15,520
something else very interesting he said

4295
02:47:18,469 --> 02:47:17,040
you know why why would you just come

4296
02:47:21,510 --> 02:47:18,479
here and risk

4297
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:21,520
the lives of of your own crew members in

4298
02:47:25,590 --> 02:47:23,040
in a war

4299
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:25,600
uh with with planet earth

4300
02:47:30,230 --> 02:47:27,840
what you could do

4301
02:47:32,550 --> 02:47:30,240
is cruise in to

4302
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:32,560
uh our solar system at the speed of

4303
02:47:36,550 --> 02:47:33,600
light

4304
02:47:37,349 --> 02:47:36,560
point the ship at earth and and

4305
02:47:39,349 --> 02:47:37,359
uh

4306
02:47:41,830 --> 02:47:39,359
hit the brakes and release all of your

4307
02:47:43,429 --> 02:47:41,840
garbage

4308
02:47:45,510 --> 02:47:43,439
and kinetically

4309
02:47:48,550 --> 02:47:45,520
their garbage

4310
02:47:51,349 --> 02:47:48,560
hits earth at the speed of light that's

4311
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:51,359
it i mean it doesn't have to be

4312
02:47:57,110 --> 02:47:54,960
a plasma cannon war a laser cannon war

4313
02:47:58,469 --> 02:47:57,120
it doesn't have to be that

4314
02:48:01,510 --> 02:47:58,479
uh there are

4315
02:48:03,910 --> 02:48:01,520
much easier more efficient ways to get

4316
02:48:07,190 --> 02:48:03,920
rid of us and we're still here

4317
02:48:10,550 --> 02:48:07,200
so i think it's pretty safe to say that

4318
02:48:11,670 --> 02:48:10,560
who has visited us so far

4319
02:48:13,269 --> 02:48:11,680
hasn't

4320
02:48:14,230 --> 02:48:13,279
has been evil

4321
02:48:17,510 --> 02:48:14,240
right

4322
02:48:20,389 --> 02:48:17,520
i i don't feel it i don't see it

4323
02:48:23,510 --> 02:48:20,399
um and and and that's it and

4324
02:48:25,349 --> 02:48:23,520
and uh one of the things that we do here

4325
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:25,359
is we shoot first and ask questions

4326
02:48:29,269 --> 02:48:27,279
later that's what we do it doesn't

4327
02:48:32,389 --> 02:48:29,279
matter it goes back to stone age man

4328
02:48:35,349 --> 02:48:32,399
we've always been that way

4329
02:48:38,309 --> 02:48:35,359
we're not shooting at these craft

4330
02:48:39,349 --> 02:48:38,319
right we're we're simply not doing that

4331
02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:39,359
um

4332
02:48:42,550 --> 02:48:41,520
to say that

4333
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:42,560
we're not

4334
02:48:46,950 --> 02:48:45,439
shooting missiles you know uh uh dave

4335
02:48:49,670 --> 02:48:46,960
fravor didn't have

4336
02:48:52,550 --> 02:48:49,680
armed missiles on his f-18

4337
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:52,560
yeah but they've got uh

4338
02:48:57,429 --> 02:48:55,680
uh all kinds of gatlin guns and missiles

4339
02:49:00,070 --> 02:48:57,439
on the nimitz

4340
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,080
and all of those guided missile cruisers

4341
02:49:06,389 --> 02:49:02,880
and those aegis uh cruisers

4342
02:49:08,550 --> 02:49:06,399
that are armed to the teeth

4343
02:49:09,990 --> 02:49:08,560
did you hear that

4344
02:49:13,349 --> 02:49:10,000
wow

4345
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:13,359
i heard that i haven't know why that was

4346
02:49:17,590 --> 02:49:16,160
that was crazy anyway we haven't fired

4347
02:49:18,550 --> 02:49:17,600
anything

4348
02:49:19,830 --> 02:49:18,560
um

4349
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:19,840
think about that let's go back to the

4350
02:49:23,590 --> 02:49:21,120
phones how you're live on fade to black

4351
02:49:25,110 --> 02:49:23,600
who's calling

4352
02:49:27,990 --> 02:49:25,120
what's up jim

4353
02:49:28,870 --> 02:49:28,000
what's up who's this

4354
02:49:31,190 --> 02:49:28,880
uh

4355
02:49:33,910 --> 02:49:31,200
tenacious malibu mike whatever you want

4356
02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:33,920
to call me that's all good

4357
02:49:41,269 --> 02:49:37,680
malibu mike okay got it

4358
02:49:43,349 --> 02:49:41,279
f1 on many shows for many years

4359
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:43,359
you know i've been into this since i was

4360
02:49:47,030 --> 02:49:45,120
a kid and

4361
02:49:47,990 --> 02:49:47,040
had abductions

4362
02:49:50,870 --> 02:49:48,000
just

4363
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:50,880
led into the subject and kept

4364
02:49:55,590 --> 02:49:52,960
over and over and over collecting

4365
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:55,600
information and videos and

4366
02:49:59,830 --> 02:49:58,080
you know sometimes

4367
02:50:01,990 --> 02:49:59,840
i'm going to ask you to just take a step

4368
02:50:04,790 --> 02:50:02,000
back and try to absorb what i'm saying

4369
02:50:09,670 --> 02:50:06,870
sometimes

4370
02:50:12,309 --> 02:50:09,680
you have to step back and just say

4371
02:50:14,150 --> 02:50:12,319
certain things hit you

4372
02:50:17,190 --> 02:50:14,160
and it makes so much sense and it's the

4373
02:50:19,349 --> 02:50:17,200
simplest of thoughts and i want to just

4374
02:50:20,469 --> 02:50:19,359
share this with you and get your opinion

4375
02:50:22,630 --> 02:50:20,479
on it

4376
02:50:24,710 --> 02:50:22,640
it's like

4377
02:50:29,349 --> 02:50:24,720
if

4378
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:29,359
not ours but theirs

4379
02:50:35,429 --> 02:50:31,120
wouldn't they just send

4380
02:50:37,670 --> 02:50:35,439
all types of crafts into our vision

4381
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:37,680
i mean who's going to send a single

4382
02:50:41,349 --> 02:50:38,720
scout

4383
02:50:44,309 --> 02:50:41,359
here and there

4384
02:50:46,070 --> 02:50:44,319
it wouldn't just be a whole fleet if i

4385
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:46,080
mean if they're going to show up aren't

4386
02:50:50,790 --> 02:50:47,680
they just going to come and say hey here

4387
02:50:52,150 --> 02:50:50,800
we are and i mean do you understand

4388
02:50:53,990 --> 02:50:52,160
where i'm going maybe you could help me

4389
02:50:55,269 --> 02:50:54,000
out with my thought here jim but it's

4390
02:50:57,590 --> 02:50:55,279
like

4391
02:51:01,269 --> 02:50:57,600
i was just thinking the other night

4392
02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:01,279
my god you know i mean enough of the

4393
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:03,040
the one neighbor that's playing hide and

4394
02:51:09,000 --> 02:51:05,040
go seek wouldn't the whole neighborhood

4395
02:51:13,510 --> 02:51:12,070
[Music]

4396
02:51:15,429 --> 02:51:13,520
and okay

4397
02:51:17,510 --> 02:51:15,439
anything is possible

4398
02:51:19,349 --> 02:51:17,520
so you can't say no to that you can't

4399
02:51:21,590 --> 02:51:19,359
say yes to that i don't think that

4400
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:21,600
there's enough data

4401
02:51:24,710 --> 02:51:23,920
there to support either side

4402
02:51:25,750 --> 02:51:24,720
um

4403
02:51:29,590 --> 02:51:25,760
but

4404
02:51:31,830 --> 02:51:29,600
i i

4405
02:51:34,309 --> 02:51:31,840
when we don't have the ability to catch

4406
02:51:37,429 --> 02:51:34,319
up with their ships we don't have

4407
02:51:38,950 --> 02:51:37,439
the ability to do much of any type of

4408
02:51:41,670 --> 02:51:38,960
resistance

4409
02:51:43,670 --> 02:51:41,680
i mean so what's really stopping

4410
02:51:46,230 --> 02:51:43,680
our star brothers and sisters for just

4411
02:51:49,950 --> 02:51:46,240
coming up and just and like really just

4412
02:51:55,670 --> 02:51:49,960
going okay now what you know what i mean

4413
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:55,680
yes okay but it it's really this simple

4414
02:52:01,110 --> 02:51:56,640
and

4415
02:52:04,309 --> 02:52:01,120
me on this

4416
02:52:06,309 --> 02:52:04,319
um there is intelligent life on this

4417
02:52:07,750 --> 02:52:06,319
planet all over the place that isn't

4418
02:52:11,349 --> 02:52:07,760
human

4419
02:52:13,510 --> 02:52:11,359
that that that knows what's going on

4420
02:52:16,309 --> 02:52:13,520
but that doesn't mean

4421
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:16,319
that you know one of the most uh

4422
02:52:22,309 --> 02:52:19,840
intelligent animals on this planet

4423
02:52:23,590 --> 02:52:22,319
is the raven

4424
02:52:26,389 --> 02:52:23,600
but how

4425
02:52:29,110 --> 02:52:26,399
does that mean that we're gonna teach

4426
02:52:32,230 --> 02:52:29,120
the ravens how to

4427
02:52:33,990 --> 02:52:32,240
build their own internet

4428
02:52:36,150 --> 02:52:34,000
and and

4429
02:52:39,030 --> 02:52:36,160
but hold on mike

4430
02:52:40,150 --> 02:52:39,040
mike mike hear me out i'm with walter

4431
02:52:42,389 --> 02:52:40,160
okay just

4432
02:52:45,670 --> 02:52:42,399
just stay with me

4433
02:52:49,510 --> 02:52:45,680
an advanced civilization

4434
02:52:52,950 --> 02:52:49,520
that can get here we can't get there but

4435
02:52:53,830 --> 02:52:52,960
ha that has the technical ability

4436
02:53:03,510 --> 02:52:53,840
to

4437
02:53:06,389 --> 02:53:03,520
distances vast distances our milky way

4438
02:53:10,790 --> 02:53:06,399
just our milky way is a hundred and

4439
02:53:12,630 --> 02:53:10,800
fifty thousand light years across 150

4440
02:53:15,670 --> 02:53:12,640
000 light years

4441
02:53:18,870 --> 02:53:15,680
freaking andromeda right andromeda do

4442
02:53:21,670 --> 02:53:18,880
you know how far away andromeda is

4443
02:53:24,550 --> 02:53:21,680
it's a long ways

4444
02:53:27,590 --> 02:53:24,560
okay so anything that can travel and

4445
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:27,600
figure out a way to get from point a to

4446
02:53:32,870 --> 02:53:29,920
point b not only in this milky way but

4447
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:32,880
across the universe when they get here

4448
02:53:41,910 --> 02:53:36,800
who are we to them

4449
02:53:44,070 --> 02:53:41,920
possible to even have a grip

4450
02:53:44,950 --> 02:53:44,080
of communication and understanding each

4451
02:53:47,429 --> 02:53:44,960
other

4452
02:53:50,070 --> 02:53:47,439
any it's not any i'm not talking about

4453
02:53:52,070 --> 02:53:50,080
us communicating with ants i'm talking

4454
02:53:53,990 --> 02:53:52,080
about us communicating with chimpanzees

4455
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:54,000
and apes and ravens

4456
02:53:59,590 --> 02:53:58,080
very very smart creatures an octopus and

4457
02:54:01,030 --> 02:53:59,600
a dolphin

4458
02:54:02,710 --> 02:54:01,040
right

4459
02:54:05,670 --> 02:54:02,720
we can't

4460
02:54:08,230 --> 02:54:05,680
and and we live together on this planet

4461
02:54:09,910 --> 02:54:08,240
so to think that uh

4462
02:54:11,030 --> 02:54:09,920
you know they would come here and just

4463
02:54:15,190 --> 02:54:11,040
hang out

4464
02:54:16,950 --> 02:54:15,200
and just show us things

4465
02:54:19,190 --> 02:54:16,960
we can't even do that here on our own

4466
02:54:20,870 --> 02:54:19,200
planet with their own species that that

4467
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:20,880
live among us

4468
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:23,760
and and that's we got to think way

4469
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:25,840
outside of the box here

4470
02:54:32,070 --> 02:54:27,840
and and try to understand this why

4471
02:54:36,070 --> 02:54:33,349
we're not doing

4472
02:54:38,550 --> 02:54:36,080
why we're not showing ravens how to do

4473
02:54:40,070 --> 02:54:38,560
open-heart surgery

4474
02:54:42,150 --> 02:54:40,080
we're not doing that

4475
02:54:44,389 --> 02:54:42,160
and and that's that's i don't think that

4476
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:44,399
there's another way to look at it mike i

4477
02:54:48,389 --> 02:54:46,479
i really don't i

4478
02:54:50,950 --> 02:54:48,399
got so much input jim and i'm going to

4479
02:54:54,230 --> 02:54:50,960
try to streamline it okay

4480
02:54:57,349 --> 02:54:54,240
um i know we have jump rooms i know what

4481
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:57,359
crts are when there are moments where

4482
02:55:01,190 --> 02:54:59,840
their crafts can go through holes and

4483
02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:01,200
reach us

4484
02:55:05,670 --> 02:55:04,080
i i do okay here let me throw something

4485
02:55:08,230 --> 02:55:05,680
wild at you and i'm sure this will get a

4486
02:55:09,990 --> 02:55:08,240
lot of responses

4487
02:55:12,230 --> 02:55:10,000
so

4488
02:55:16,150 --> 02:55:12,240
i learned a long time ago

4489
02:55:18,550 --> 02:55:16,160
from following my own experiences

4490
02:55:21,349 --> 02:55:18,560
my thoughts and dreams were coming from

4491
02:55:23,269 --> 02:55:21,359
and i just happened to be in a place in

4492
02:55:25,349 --> 02:55:23,279
huntington beach

4493
02:55:27,190 --> 02:55:25,359
and a guy recognized me and i recognized

4494
02:55:29,110 --> 02:55:27,200
him and we had a talk and we ended up

4495
02:55:30,389 --> 02:55:29,120
going to the house and talking and i

4496
02:55:33,510 --> 02:55:30,399
said

4497
02:55:36,150 --> 02:55:33,520
so are you part of the 20 in back

4498
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:36,160
program because i think i recognize you

4499
02:55:38,790 --> 02:55:37,200
from

4500
02:55:41,990 --> 02:55:38,800
one of the

4501
02:55:42,870 --> 02:55:42,000
groups of people i was with

4502
02:55:45,510 --> 02:55:42,880
he

4503
02:55:48,389 --> 02:55:45,520
over a period of two months

4504
02:55:50,710 --> 02:55:48,399
communicated with me and we met

4505
02:55:52,469 --> 02:55:50,720
that he said he was part of the 20 and

4506
02:55:55,830 --> 02:55:52,479
back program

4507
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:55,840
i asked very explicit questions that

4508
02:56:01,110 --> 02:55:58,000
only someone part of that program would

4509
02:56:03,670 --> 02:56:01,120
know like i'm saying okay

4510
02:56:05,830 --> 02:56:03,680
where were you what were you doing he

4511
02:56:08,070 --> 02:56:05,840
was on a cargo vessel they would go into

4512
02:56:11,429 --> 02:56:08,080
diego garcia

4513
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:11,439
they would trade with aliens they were

4514
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,200
on different planets

4515
02:56:17,429 --> 02:56:15,359
such as ceres

4516
02:56:20,070 --> 02:56:17,439
they would

4517
02:56:22,950 --> 02:56:20,080
trade with aliens

4518
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:22,960
and he i said how do you live

4519
02:56:26,870 --> 02:56:24,960
how do you if you're not supposed to be

4520
02:56:28,790 --> 02:56:26,880
recognized how do you live i mean how do

4521
02:56:31,510 --> 02:56:28,800
you get your food how do you pay for

4522
02:56:34,710 --> 02:56:31,520
your bills he said well i'm on a credit

4523
02:56:36,790 --> 02:56:34,720
system all i do is go places and

4524
02:56:38,870 --> 02:56:36,800
i charge credits

4525
02:56:42,550 --> 02:56:38,880
and it's covered

4526
02:56:45,110 --> 02:56:42,560
um i am a firm belief i was in the

4527
02:56:47,349 --> 02:56:45,120
service where i was a crypto where i was

4528
02:56:49,510 --> 02:56:47,359
stationed at diego garcia

4529
02:56:51,670 --> 02:56:49,520
and i did happen to see some really

4530
02:56:53,590 --> 02:56:51,680
weird things going on at two and three

4531
02:56:55,750 --> 02:56:53,600
in the morning when we were supposed to

4532
02:56:57,990 --> 02:56:55,760
be locked down in our barracks

4533
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:58,000
but i wasn't always paying attention to

4534
02:57:03,269 --> 02:57:00,319
the regulations

4535
02:57:06,950 --> 02:57:03,279
and i did see things coming in

4536
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:06,960
to the bay near diego garcia

4537
02:57:12,550 --> 02:57:10,160
that were as huge as a football stadium

4538
02:57:14,870 --> 02:57:12,560
well then but then but mike and i've got

4539
02:57:15,910 --> 02:57:14,880
a i've got a i've got to run in about uh

4540
02:57:18,469 --> 02:57:15,920
two minutes

4541
02:57:20,230 --> 02:57:18,479
then what you are saying

4542
02:57:22,070 --> 02:57:20,240
to be open to what i'm saying because i

4543
02:57:24,870 --> 02:57:22,080
know it brother i've never lied to you

4544
02:57:27,590 --> 02:57:24,880
and i never will yeah mike mike but what

4545
02:57:28,870 --> 02:57:27,600
what what you just said

4546
02:57:29,910 --> 02:57:28,880
was

4547
02:57:33,670 --> 02:57:29,920
um

4548
02:57:36,070 --> 02:57:33,680
not the opposite but it was

4549
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:36,080
contradicting what you had said at the

4550
02:57:40,870 --> 02:57:38,720
beginning of the phone call which is why

4551
02:57:43,830 --> 02:57:40,880
are they why why are why aren't they

4552
02:57:46,630 --> 02:57:43,840
here in groups well apparently they are

4553
02:57:49,269 --> 02:57:46,640
if if we're doing interstellar trade

4554
02:57:51,510 --> 02:57:49,279
out of diego garcia i mean

4555
02:57:53,990 --> 02:57:51,520
visibly in groups

4556
02:57:57,590 --> 02:57:54,000
while they're doing it you just said uh

4557
02:58:00,550 --> 02:57:57,600
how big was the craft at diego garcia

4558
02:58:02,550 --> 02:58:00,560
well i i when i saw it the only way i

4559
02:58:05,590 --> 02:58:02,560
could compare it jim was it would have

4560
02:58:08,710 --> 02:58:05,600
fit over the coliseum right so they are

4561
02:58:11,190 --> 02:58:08,720
doing what you're saying

4562
02:58:12,950 --> 02:58:11,200
well but it's not being obviously we're

4563
02:58:15,190 --> 02:58:12,960
being disinformed

4564
02:58:19,750 --> 02:58:15,200
well that's that part's true i mean i've

4565
02:58:22,870 --> 02:58:19,760
got a friend of mine who uh i i i trust

4566
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:22,880
and respect a lot and he doesn't

4567
02:58:28,309 --> 02:58:24,720
uh want to come on the show and talk

4568
02:58:34,309 --> 02:58:29,910
this with him over the years and he was

4569
02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:34,319
in downtown l.a uh he was uh in in

4570
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:37,120
downtown l.a working with a friend he

4571
02:58:42,550 --> 02:58:39,840
looks up in the sky he sees some static

4572
02:58:44,790 --> 02:58:42,560
and then he looks again and a ship was

4573
02:58:47,590 --> 02:58:44,800
flying through the clouds

4574
02:58:50,389 --> 02:58:47,600
uh to the west that looked like an

4575
02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:50,399
aircraft carrier tipped upside down

4576
02:58:55,830 --> 02:58:53,200
and he said it was a mile long

4577
02:58:57,590 --> 02:58:55,840
up there and now now this is this is a

4578
02:58:59,110 --> 02:58:57,600
friend of mine

4579
02:59:01,110 --> 02:58:59,120
and

4580
02:59:03,510 --> 02:59:01,120
this uh

4581
02:59:05,349 --> 02:59:03,520
he's a bit of a i don't know why i don't

4582
02:59:06,710 --> 02:59:05,359
want to give too much away here a bit of

4583
02:59:10,550 --> 02:59:06,720
a celebrity

4584
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:10,560
and and and in in that world so he can't

4585
02:59:15,349 --> 02:59:13,279
he doesn't want to uh to to be public

4586
02:59:17,429 --> 02:59:15,359
with this but

4587
02:59:18,870 --> 02:59:17,439
but he's shared this with me and i've

4588
02:59:22,150 --> 02:59:18,880
talked to him about

4589
02:59:23,269 --> 02:59:22,160
this experience for hours in great

4590
02:59:24,309 --> 02:59:23,279
detail

4591
02:59:26,230 --> 02:59:24,319
so

4592
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:26,240
you're not the only one to say suggest

4593
02:59:30,550 --> 02:59:28,399
this and and to say these things

4594
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:30,560
and this is somebody that absolutely

4595
02:59:34,309 --> 02:59:32,960
does not want to go public doesn't want

4596
02:59:36,630 --> 02:59:34,319
to do anything

4597
02:59:38,710 --> 02:59:36,640
but uh but he shared this experience

4598
02:59:47,990 --> 02:59:38,720
with me mike with that i got to get off

4599
02:59:52,630 --> 02:59:50,710
in 1978

4600
02:59:54,150 --> 02:59:52,640
i watched the craft come out of the

4601
02:59:57,030 --> 02:59:54,160
water

4602
02:59:58,630 --> 02:59:57,040
when we were on the way to new zealand

4603
03:00:06,550 --> 02:59:58,640
it

4604
03:00:09,349 --> 03:00:06,560
structures in the windows

4605
03:00:12,309 --> 03:00:09,359
i reported it to my commanding officer

4606
03:00:14,870 --> 03:00:12,319
and i got kicked out of the service

4607
03:00:16,389 --> 03:00:14,880
for reporting that and and three other

4608
03:00:18,550 --> 03:00:16,399
people signed

4609
03:00:20,309 --> 03:00:18,560
mike have a great night and thank you

4610
03:00:22,870 --> 03:00:20,319
for sharing that with us my friend i

4611
03:00:24,230 --> 03:00:22,880
gotta roll credits and get out of here

4612
03:00:25,750 --> 03:00:24,240
have a great night mike thank you so

4613
03:00:27,510 --> 03:00:25,760
much

4614
03:00:29,990 --> 03:00:27,520
thanks jim

4615
03:00:32,150 --> 03:00:30,000
this is fade to black i am your host

4616
03:00:35,830 --> 03:00:32,160
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4617
03:00:37,510 --> 03:00:35,840
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4618
03:00:39,429 --> 03:00:37,520
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4619
03:00:41,190 --> 03:00:39,439
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4620
03:00:43,110 --> 03:00:41,200
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4621
03:00:45,190 --> 03:00:43,120
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4622
03:00:48,230 --> 03:00:45,200
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4623
03:00:50,230 --> 03:00:48,240
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4624
03:00:52,230 --> 03:00:50,240
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4625
03:00:54,389 --> 03:00:52,240
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4626
03:00:57,269 --> 03:00:54,399
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4627
03:00:59,110 --> 03:00:57,279
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4628
03:01:00,950 --> 03:00:59,120
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4629
03:01:02,389 --> 03:01:00,960
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4630
03:01:04,309 --> 03:01:02,399
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4631
03:01:05,590 --> 03:01:04,319
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4632
03:01:07,670 --> 03:01:05,600
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4633
03:01:09,750 --> 03:01:07,680
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4634
03:01:15,190 --> 03:01:09,760
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4635
03:01:18,070 --> 03:01:15,200
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4636
03:01:24,160 --> 03:01:18,080
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03:01:26,920 --> 03:01:24,320
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4638
03:01:46,020 --> 03:01:26,930
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